joffe has not been charged with any crime.tive media, and former president trump himself, to say sussman and joffe were clinton operatives who were paid to illegally hack into and spy on the trump campaign and trump white house. former president trump wrote,“ in a stronger period of time in our country, this crime would have been punishable by death.” in a column this week, pulitzer prize-winning journalist charlie savage of the "new york times" wrote that "the entire narrative appeared to be mostly wrong or old news," and its conclusions "based on a misleading presentation of the facts, or outright misinformation." charlie savage joins me now. i wonder if you could help us understand just initially how we got to this point, how durham's investigation has morphed into this sort of explosive story in conservative media. >> so back in the trump administration, right after robert mueller, the russian special counsel, finished his report, donald trump shifted, tried to shift the narrative to or escalated his attempt to shift the n

when sussmann worked responsible what joffe was giving him he build it to the clinton campaign. is use his special access to it because he's involved in a government contract to help the government guard against cyber hack and that sort of stuff. so he uses that access to get information about trump. brian: according to durham. if hillary clinton wants to sue, i hope you will take the case, andy. hillary clinton wants to sue us. we'll see what your retainer is. >> you know what they say about a lawyer who represents himself. he has an idiot for a client. brian: i know that applies to so many people but not you. tony robbins has some advice for you. you say extreme stress expected. >> the real question is what are you going to do with it? are you going to use stress or let stress use you? a must in your medicine cabinet! less sick days! cold coming on? zicam is the #1 cold shortening brand! highly recommend it! zifans love zicam's unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam. zinc that cold! demonstrations by truckers in ottawa, canada. brian: welcome back to "one nation." he st

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instead, joffe goes over to democratic lawyers operating for the clinton team and for the democraticers, and then, even then, paul, then they don't take them to the fbi. they go to the press first and only later do they belatedly deliver this to the fbi. of course, part of that was to be able to say to the press, look, there's an ongoing investigation as the basis of this material we gave. that was the exact same thing they did with the steele dossier, the exact same routine. paul: holman, the latest spin on this from some in the press, "the new york times" and other, is that durham made a new filing in response to an attempt by sussmann, who he's indicted, to get some of durham's earlier filings stricken. but somehow durham distanced himself from the interpretations of the media about his filing. what's your response to that? >> no, he didn't. he basically defended his use of of the information that he put out there because it was part of a filing that was aimed at challenging the judge to examine conflicts of interest on the part of sussmann's lawyer who also has represented hillar

a spokesman for the tech expert released a statement saying that claims in part quote me joffe as anurity expert with decades of service to the u.s. government. he has not been charged. the durham investigation is ongoing. >> all right. let's bring in tom, i want you to set this up real quickly. first of all this joffe guy, who is seen as a key player in this field and has been for a long time, this tech executive that is mentioned, is he charged with anything? >> has not been charged with anything. >> has not been charged with anything. okay. you read the "new york post", you read editorials, the breathless -- the breathless coverage yesterday, the op-ed in the "wall street journal", i mean a lot of charges flying around. has durham suggested, has he charged hillary clinton or the clinton campaign with, quote, spying? >> quite the opposite, joe. one of the things that's contained in that court filing that mika was just reading from, there is no mention at all that sussman when he presented information to a second u.s. agency in february of 2017, which we know to be the cia, that whe

what was joffe during the obama years? why is it that this data was fair game for him to access?as an unsuccessful technological link between the trump and russians that sussman apparently tried to say was a smoking gun. so there is a lot of open questions. i don't think we can completely rush to judgment on any of this stuff quite yet but it is very interesting. elizabeth: isn't it an issue, white house communications and computers are not secure? no one should be able to access them. the fact that the clinton campaign was able, isn't that a national security threat? who else has access to white house communications? >> yeah. fair question but keep in mind, we just have to be pretty precise on some very high-tech stuff. this is not the actual substance of any communications. this is not being able to read emails or text messages. this is literally having these kind of almost like gps coordinate hits, this computer had some sort of inquiry or some sort of connection with another computer of interest or server of interest. it's a very loose -- elizabeth: we get that. what i meant

conflicts of interest in the michael sussmann case alleges that tech executive one, identified as rodney joffes, exploit internet traffic at not only trump tower and donald trump's central park west apartment building, but also in the executive office of the president of the united states during president trump's sitting time as president. devin nuÑes cracked open the russiagate case while chairman of the house intel committee. he retired in congress in december to become the ceo of the trump media and technology group. he joins me mow. good good morning, den uniyes, sir -- devin nuÑes, great to have you on the program. >> always good to be with you, maria. martha: the launch is just a few weeks away now, but you came out with your infamous nuÑes report, the knew necessary them e -- nuÑes memo back in late 2018. tell me how you assess is john durham's most recent filing. >> well, if you look at our investigation that led to 14 criminal referrals that we've talked about numerous times over the last few years that house republicans on the intelligence committee made to the department of justice,

this firm by rodney joffe. he says there is no proof that he was political. with a private contract. you cannot -- you have to be trusted when you have these government contracts. if you have the government contract and you're getting some information to another country, you go to jail for life, maybe even executed. he has this type of access and decides to use it for political purposes. that seems to be where this durham report is going good for everybody and republicans and democrats wondering what other contractor has political leanings instead of doing their job trying to make sure somebody wins the race. >> he wasn't working for her at the time. he was the attorney for the campaign. the reason he is indicted is because he found bank records being paid by hillary clinton's campaign to allegedly do this. >> steve: a lot of this information has been uncovered during the investigation of the bank situation. now, mr. durham -- the good thing about mr. durham, is unlike certain prosecutors or investigators who, you know, during the miller case, how many times