john: we'll see.artment and the president ad libbed we're going to have regime change in russia, what would you have done? >> he didn't say exactly that. he told the truth, right? putin is a butcher, and he doesn't get to be leader of russia, i have a feeling there are probably some people that are a little nervous about it this morning. but i would rather have a president who calls out putin, who takes him on, who is very aggressive and not someone who kowtows to him and does the opposite. so, look, you know, you heard -- you had ambassador smith on this morning answering for it. i'm actually glad he called out putin. >> the white house had to take it back, it makes the president look like he's out of touch and and not under control, and that's bad. john: former national security council employee? >> he also told american troops the day before that they were going to be sent to ukraine and a few hours later told president duda that the u.s. would accept an additional 100,000 ukrainian refugees, to me

if john f.o the moon to defeat the soviet's, you want to defeat the petro states of russia, iran, venezuela, saudi arabia, let's have a moonshine on renewable energy, so let's have the short-term increase in production, longtime moon shot on renewable energy. >> john: in terms of the november election, alexandria across you watch as it said in recent days she think the democratic party is in trouble and because of the president. listen to what she said. >> this is really about the collapse in support among young people, among the democratic base, feeling like they are not -- that they worked overtime to get this president elected and they aren't necessarily being seen. >> john: issue right? >> congressman khanna: the president has done an extra ordinary job. we passed the american rescue plan, past infrastructure. here's what we ought to highlight. $20 billion intel is investing in ohio. you talk about the revitalization of the midwest, we are delivering. of course there are other things we ough

john. >> john: gillian, thank you.kraine and former u.s. ambassador to nato. we hope it was a slip of the tongue by the president, saying you will see that. >> i think the key thing the president needs to be doing for the troops is to convey their mission, like this is important to the united states, ukraine's survival is important, protecting nato is important, those are the key messages. >> john: i wanted to start off with this is the pier and this is the russian warship hit by ukrainian missiles yesterday. we saw the footage of it on fire, and here you see the ship there, then another one that was hit over here as well. they basically have taken out at least two piers here, another one in the middle and on this side as well. but if your ships are getting hit when you are trying to resupply, that makes you think twice what you are doing there. >> we saw the footage of when it happened, the ships that could, left the area. so they did not want to be there and get shelled. now the russians have to think if they come ba

john. >> john: trey, thank you. you'll be on standby, get back to us if anything happens, anything moves where you are. >> sandra: lviv, lucas tomlinson, how are things changing there, lucas? >> sandra, officials here are concerned about forces in belarus, hundreds of thousands of ukrainians are fleeing the country as well. and air raid sirens could be heard a short time ago here in lviv. [air raid sirens] >> this as ukraine's president accuses the russian forces of shelling innocent civilians. >> voice of translator: the country that commits war crimes against civilians cannot be a member of the u.n. security council. the country has been to be banned from the ports, airports and channels in the world. >> the u.n. says 650,000 people have fled the country, mostly women and children since military aged males are forbidden to leave. it has created some of the worst humanitarian crisis in europe this century. the russian defense ministry claims a land bridge is now complete, after the amphibious assault by russian mar

john. >> john: doing an amazing job. russian forces remain stalled after over three weeks of fighting in ukraine, and the u.s. defense officials are reportedly warning vladimir putin plans to shift strategies due to ukraine's stiff resistance. bring in fred, great to see you. quick here, so the russians are kind of stalled up here, stalled into kyiv this way, they have not been able to encircle it the way they wanted to. kharkiv, they have it surrounded on two sides, but not able to yet go this way. they got repelled, fighting continues here in mariupol, no meaningful progress in this area to get on toward odesa. so, when you take a look at that and then go to the map close up here, the kyiv area, you can see a little more detail here, that they have gotten within the outskirts of the city on both sides. they have not gotten much further, they are digging into defensive positions. defense officials say russia is preparing for a long war here. >> the washington post said the russian army is going to the culminating point,

see you tomorrow, john. >> john: see you tomorrow. i'm john roberts.od afternoon. i'm martha maccallum in fox news head quarters in new york. we're about to get q&a at the white house on a busy day. the president has announced an enormous draw down of the strategic oil reserve in the u.s. they're put there for national emergencies. the president says he will take about 180 million gallons over six months because of gas and en

sandra. >> john: garrett, it's john. rounds, they are not really expensive but not exactly cheap either, somewhere between, you know, 30 and $0.50 per round. when you look at shipping a million rounds to ukraine, by the time you manufacture them and on board transport and over there, that's a substantial investment. is the company shouldering the entire cost or are they asking for donations? >> just for the bullets, take you over here and show it to you, a little bigger than this, they said just to make these is about 600 to $700,000. shipping, went through a private company to make sure it got over there as quick as possible, they foot all the bill. and now, because of the flood of requests they have had from folks, trying to look into plans and other opportunities to make even further donations and get the donations to the folks who need them most as quickly as possible. >> sandra: garrett, manitowac, wisconsin, south of green bay, north of milwaukee, as a midwesterner, i know they are proud, and interesting to hear th

but john dean is a movie star. john dean was the big draw. they didn't want to lose john dean. it was front page news and they go in the orange county register that shepherd was was disinvited. that's why this complaint of attorney misconduct is so delicious. i don't think they can get rid of me. and they're they're dilemma. this is straight. you know, i analyze this stuff. i stay awake all night. their best way out is to claim a technicality. too long ago. most of the people are dead. we these aren't really our memos because if they hear me out. they're going to be in tough tough shape. i have dozens and dozens of memos and they're all on that website. i'm not playing hide the ball. okay. the real watergate victims have all passed away. there was some thought on an earlier book that their heirs could come in and challenge their convictions, but it never came to fruition, but this is different. this is challenging misconduct by the lawyers themselves. so we'll see we have time for one last question here. make it a good one. i've always been interested in the role of john dean.

john, sandra. >> john: john here at the touch screen. we'll go into more detail with rebecca on this in a moment, but last week we had ukrainian forces making some gains here in the west of kyiv in makariv, and now two other towns south of sumy and northwest of kharkiv, they have made some gains as well. still a sense the ukrainians believe at least in the area of kyiv and north and east of that, that they may be able to push russian forces back? >> there's been more of an offensive strategy that we have seen from the ukrainian troops and the mayor, or the mayor of a city outside of lviv, say they are going to take back the towns. hopeful moves for some military troops trying for weeks on end to gain back to him territory. we have seen as of friday, the russian troops have moved more military members further east. that's a hopeful sign for people who are, as mentioned in some towns outside the capital. >> sandra: alex, thank you. president biden and his administration now walking back his comments that putin cannot stay in power. the off

he hired john dean. john dean had nothing to do -- he told his sentencing officer that's official duties were reviewing field reports on presidential appointees. and he pardoned -- i was doing policy work on crime and drugs and there is no indication that he met with the president more than one time in the first two years he was on the staff. so there was a project. i was in charge of the project, a public policy project of law in order. and dean was supposed to contribute something. he didn't. he didn't do any work. i went into my meeting law and last he had urged keen to come. i said don't ever put me on a project again with john dean or put him with the project with me. i was in charge. he didn't do a squat. he said well, you know, he's very sensitive asked to his rank here. he is new. why don't you let me handle dean from now on? i have more reports. it probably saved my freedom, because he sure helped bud to procure himself and blood lost everything because of john begin. i didn't like john dean. mo

sandra. >> john: benji, it's john here. breaking news, this statement from the minister of foreign affairs for the republic of poland says the authorities of the republic of poland after consultations between the president and the government are ready to deploy immediately and free of charge all of their mig 29 jets to the ramstein air base and disposal of the government of the united states of america. so they are taking the mig 29 fighters, move those to germany and the united states has already said that they want to take those migs and transfer them to ukraine. the same time, poland urging other new nato members who might have migs, possibly romania, hungary, slovakia, and the czech republic has some migs, and send those to ramstein as well to be deployed for ukraine. we just confirmed that romania does have the mig 29. this is something ukraine has been asking for. we heard kira rudik asking for please send the aircraft. if the united states through germany or nato sends the migs, how much will that help in the fight a

john. >> john: we know it's a delicate balancing act. too hard and sometimes you kill the patient. >> sandra: bring in larry kudlow now, fresh off the news from the federal reserve, your grand take away, sir. >> we'll, a couple things. first of all, a quarter rate hike is useless and futile, they should have done a half. >> sandra: is that why markets are selling off? >> not yet. >> now they are going back into the green. >> point number two, they are you'll tougher than you might have thought going in. so now six rate likes, all subject to change. now projecting six rate hikes to get to 1.9% by the end of the year. prior to that, i think fed was 3 to 4 rate hikes and then four more next year, so ten rate hikes, blah blah blah blah. the trouble with this story is the inflation rate is moving towards 10%. in fact, your import prices were up 11% for the 12-month change. so, they are going to have to take that target rate to 6, 7, 8, 9% before this is over. not 1, 2, 3, or 4. this, we are already in a stagflation more, g.d.p. very low, infl

i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. "the story" with martha starts right now. >> martha: thanks very much, john and sandra. good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. here's what's breaking right now on this huge story. we're about to get a live update from the pentagon. we heard from the department of state. in a moment we'll hear from john kirby in terms of the military pentagon involvement and nato involvement in this war in ukraine. that as we just keep seeing these incredible individual stories of sheer bravery and

great to be with you, john. >> john: i'm john roberts. >> martha: thank you both. good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. president biden addressing the world moments ago on day 29 of the war in ukraine. this was an emergency meeting of nato leaders in brussels. the president came out about 1 1/2 hours early and took a handful of questions. you can see how crowded the room is. a handful of reporters got to ask him a question. the final question is one that has been around since the beginning of this, but remains important. >> deterrence didn't work.

i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. >> martha: thanks very much, john and sandra.tin watches this nato meeting about to happen, an organization that he despises, breaking moments ago, a tough reality as nato says the official number of dead russian soldiers is between 7 and 15,000. keep in mind they lost 15,000 in afghanistan, but it took ten years. they're one month in to the battle in ukraine. president biden is right now enroute to brussels.

i didn't like john dean. most of his colleagues didn't like john dean. he had an intriguing ability to appeal to his superiors, but not to his colleagues. and i could go on and on and on. he wasn't a serious guy. he wasn't really there. dwight chapin interviewed him before he became counsel and he wrote a memo and his memo says, it would really be more comforting if we had someone who was loyal to nixon. this guy is out for himself. turned out to be pretty true. thank you very much for coming, this has been a real privilege. [ applause ] >>> c-span offers a variety of podcasts that have something for every listener. weekdays, "washington today" gives you the latest from the nation's capital. and every week, "book notes plus" has in-depth interviews with writers while "the weekly" uses audio from our immense archive to look at how issues of the day developed over years. and our occasional series "talking with" features extensive conversations with historians about their lives and work. many of our television programs are also available as podcasts. you ca

i'm sandra smith. >> john: and i'm john roberts.callum at fox news head quarters in new york. here's the story. a lot is moving at this hour. a lot of updates from the pentagon and the white house. those are moments away. the white house obviously a lot of editorials today questioning the president's abilities and it's coming from the "wall street journal," the "washington post" and coming under continued scrutiny. this photo

john. >> john: sandra, u.s. crude oil prices briefly hitting $116 a barrel the first time since 2008, as president biden facing growing criticism for stripping the united states of its energy independence while russian president putin wages war on ukraine. fox team coverage on the energy front, what the biden administration can do, and jeff flock is live at a gas station in philadelphia, drivers are forced to pay some high prices to fill up their tanks. we can see the sign in the background there, regular over four bucks a gallon. >> you said it, john. and things are kind of getting crazy. 4.09 at a conoco, and speedway across the street, 4.19, and across the street there, a shell station, that was 3.89 this morning, now up to 4.05. all of those higher than the national average, which is 3.73, up $0.07 in the last day. and up a whole lot more in places. and not just regular gasoline, it's diesel as well, and it's inflation for you, most of what we buy delivered with trucks driven by diesel. what to do about this

john. >> john: terrible.tting lviv for the first time. the city miles from ukraine's border from poland. retired four star general jack keane, senior strategic analyst. general, at the screen here, and based on information from the institute of the study of war, the forces russia has coming into kyiv on both sides are said to be stalled. here in kharkiv, experiencing a lot of problems, trying to get down into the donbas region, that frontal assault is blunted and try to get toward odesa but cannot do that as well. u.k. defense intelligence agency put out a bulletin earlier that said vladimir putin's strategy is changing into a war of attrition. what do you think? >> well, what's actually happening is that a battle for kyiv and for kharkiv, they're stalemated. that's denied them, they have trying to bring artillery down to use those kinds of weapons to hammer the city, that's been denied. ukrainians are putting up a good fight here. conventional motorized brigades in the fight and counter attacks at night, des

john?john: full of malarkey meaning we're hearing a lot about that from russia in relation to that particularly in relation to the hospital bombing in mariupol where sergey lavrov none the love when he was in a press conference in turkey said look, this is all basically just b.s., to put it mildly. that didn't happen. it was the brigade that was inhabiting that. there was a pregnant woman in there that died as a result. >> sandra: indeed. we know we're going to see possibly hear from the president again today. so we'll be watching for that i'm going to join the team on "the five" tonight. i'll see you there. tomorrow morning is a big morning for the ukraine president zelensky speaking to the u.s. congress. i'm sandra smith. thanks for joining us. >> john: i'm john roberts. "the story" is next. stay with us. the only ev truck that combines: 4-wheel steer a multi-flex midgate and up to a 400-mile range on a full charge and the only way to reserve it is at chevy.com. find your future. find new

hi, john. >> john: hi again, sandra, another week on this, john roberts in washington. russia accused of war crimes for airstrikes like the one about 20 miles northwest of kyiv. watch this. [bleep] >> john: at least eight people were killed during russian shelling on sunday. children among the victims. >> sandra: the map on the screen shows the russian advance on ukraine. putin's forces are moving in on cities from the north, the east and the south as ukrainians continue to head west for safety. >> john: in kyiv, police officers try to help people escape. united nations says more than 1.7 million people have escaped ukraine. the fastest growing refugee crisis europe has seen since world war ii. >> sandra: fox news has a team of correspondents from new york to ukraine covering the story from every angle. first, trey is on the ground in kyiv for us at this hour. hi, trey. >> sandra, good afternoon. just after 8:00 p.m. here and we are hearing consistent sounds of artillery in the distance. a few minutes ago air raid sirens across the capital city. we were on the front lin

john, stay with us because _ again. john, stay with us because we _ again.cause we are going to | again. john, stay with us - because we are going to talk about a new series, un— spun world that are started running wednesday night on bbc two. let's get a taste of it. in this programme, are there any stirrings of peace talks over ukraine yet? what is the way of allowing there to be a cessation of hostilities in a way that gives putin a way out? what i russians being told about a war that their media will not even call the war? for the russians, _ will not even call the war? for the russians, the _ will not even call the war? for the russians, the media as a tool— the russians, the media as a toot that— the russians, the media as a tool that they can use to controi— tool that they can use to control what people see. before the series actually _ control what people see. before the series actually started, - control what people see. before the series actually started, a . the series actually started, a viewer was clear what he wanted. the reaction to the first t

. >> john: john roberts in washington. ukraine's military says russian bombers intentionally targeted a maternity ward at a hospital in the southern city of mariupol. president zelenskyy says children are among those buried under the wreckage. >> sandra: the mayor calling it medieval, the officials call the situation catastrophic. days of russian shelling have left that city unrecognizable. >> john: reportedly without water, heat and sewage systems going on seven days, cooking on makeshift stoves using bricks. the concrete shelters their homes. team coverage from around the world, trey gets us started in kyiv. what's the latest from where you are? >> john, good afternoon. learning more about the devastating strike in mariupol. at least 17 were wounded during the strike. there were people on this compound when it took place and you can see from the video things completely destroyed. the humans inside this building that were injured. mothers, expecting mothers, children, these are the people currently in the cross hairs of r

sandra. >> john: it's john here. the baltic states are a beautiful place, i'm envious you get a chance to visit with folks there. there was this concern that if putin rolled into ukraine that he would not stop as you have been pointing out and keep rolling, and through belarus and lithuania, and estonia, and the problem the russian forces are having in ukraine, are the spirits somewhat buoyed this may not continue past ukraine if putin manages to get control of ukraine? >> i think the big word here is unpredictable, they don't know what's going to happen next and look at their history, they have a history of occupation, whether it's nazi germany or you have, you know, their neighbor to the east of here, russia, or soviet union. so it's very unpredictable situation. you talk to many people here, they have family members, in fact, who were deported from their own country during soviet occupation, sent to siberia to work camps and two generations, one generation removed. their history dates hundreds and hundreds of year

great to be with you, john. >> john: i'm john roberts in washington.is "america reports," just after 8:00 at night in kyiv, people are bracing for an onslaught from russian forces bent on taking the capital city. putin's troops are running into a wall of fierce resistance. video from twitter showing five russian tanks and armored vehicles destroyed by ukrainian forces on the outskirts of kyiv. a russian convoy northwest of kyiv has reportedly dispersed ten miles outside the city, forces fanning out into nearby towns and forests, this as russia attacks the ukrainian cities not targeted before, the industrial hub of dnipro, as missiles rain down on military air fields in two cities to the west. >> sandra: the latest map showing where things stand right now in this russian invasion. despite making little progress on the ground in recent days, putin's troops are surrounding southern cities and using air power to pummel them. mariupol officials say 1300 have died in the days' long siege on their city, cut off electricity, phone service and heat in frigid te

i'm sandra smith. >> john: and i'm john roberts.a: thanks to you both. we're all praying for ben hall at this hour as john and sandra just told you. i'm martha maccallum at fox headquarters in new york. right now on "the story," as questions are raised about america's role in the world, putin is knocking at nato's door and president zelensky says what he said all along. >> and now i repeat again, if you do not close our sky, it's a matter of time before russian missiles fall on your territory, nato territory, on the homes of

john. >> john: all right, thank you. from the secretary of state. retired general keith kellogg, fox news contributor, the idea of the migs. the country is larger than texas, he said they are an offensive weapon and the idea of a fighter jet being an offensive weapon, yeah, could be offense if you are to fly it into russia and bomb russia, but if you use it in contiguous boundaries of your own country, is that offensive or defensive weapon? >> i think -- it, john, it's a defensive weapon of their own country and they need the migs. increase, 28, 29 of them, increases the air force by one-third and gives them the reason i like the mig idea, some other ideas, this creates problems for the russians. and you want to a fighter, you want to give more problems to your opponent than he can solve at a time. and when you have them on the heels, and they are on their heels, you want pressure on them. slight pressure, heavy pressure, this is a way to put pressure on them. ok, they are coming in with migs and then the s300s, and slov

but i must say really john as a leader and manager john just doesn't help the idea and refine it john executes. he makes it happen and i have simply watched his work with all. for some reason i believe. he believes he also has a right to a private life and more bestsellers. and so he's decided that after more than a dozen years here. he will be stepping down and as you do my friend i say look around this place john look on your mighty works and rejoice. look at him being so modest. smartest so president reagan i've been lately thinking of a small mystery. here's the mystery it is that politics and political talk dominates our time and yet most of the political figures talking on our screens talking endlessly on our screens. do so without deploying a great tool and weapon of politics and that is humor. ronald reagan used humor and wit to make his points and to move things forward every day. this of course was simply natural to him. i think it's a gift god gave them. it was his nature. i have said in writing about him that humor is imagination operating on good nature, and i think that'

but i must say really john as a leader and manager john just doesn't help the idea and refine it john executes. he makes it happen and i have simply watched his work with all. for some reason i believe. he believes he also has a right to a private life and more bestsellers. and so he's decided that after more than a dozen years here. he will be stepping down and as you do my friend i say look around this place john look on your mighty works and rejoice. look at him being so modest. smartest so president reagan i've been lately thinking of a small mystery. here's the mystery it is that politics and political talk dominates our time and yet most of the political figures talking on our screens talking endlessly on our screens. do so without deploying a great tool and weapon of politics and that is humor. ronald reagan used humor and wit to make his points and to move things forward every day. this of course was simply natural to him. i think it's a gift god gave them. it was his nature. i have said in writing about him that humor is imagination operating on good nature, and i think that'

maybe john, john, you want to address that? go ahead. john. well, it varies from country to country. in britain, the hysteria is probably worse, i think, than even in, in the united states in france. it's pretty high, but much less high in germany, it's very high and so on. so it varies from country to country. and so there's no doubt that the overwhelming balance is with, of course, supporting the ukrainian side. and i'd just like to say that i don't, in a way, of course, i agree with the criticisms that have been made about the american and european political establishments. i particularly think that they have behaved ideologically . they seem blinded by ideology. why, why, why shouldn't ukraine be neutral? what, why is that ideologically so important? seems like quite a good solution. and they are blinded by that ideology. but this conflict will not be resolved by a seeing the other guy's point of view or understanding the russian position. patrick, i'm responding to your earlier remark. yeah, i won't be really why seeing the other guy's po

john: thank you. we have a couple of questions relating to the deportation of thousands of ukrainian adults. one is from an anonymous attendee of this form and the other is from natalie. is there any information where these victims are, information on russian camps? any thoughts on this? mr. yermak: we have some part of this information that a lot of people in in a certain region -- [indiscernible] we have information that many of these people are going to russia against their will. that is why it was a provocation in the beginning. they tried to open the corridors leading into a territory of russia. our people refused to go into russia. sometimes than it is talking about the children. this is a big problem. they killed that -- they kidnap the children, especially thousands of children. then the children are without parents. we are working to unless information -- to analyze this information. we never forget about an individuals. for each of our citizens from child up to adults -- to hold person. -- t

so so let's let's turn that question over to john john scott to say in john scott's case, right is this even possible in the naval war college setting because you mentioned you know, you need clearance to even go to see some of this material which is crazy to some of us because it's from the 1930s, but is it possible do you think to improve transparency for a research or even if it's gonna be 30 years from now now and in john's case? how are you as a scholar able to to do this at the rand archives? what was that even just practicalities of that process of communicating with archivists and getting access to these documents whether raw or process john scott doing start with you. sure. it's it's a problem we deal with now because we've been trying across the dod. i think ellie has been associated with some jackie. i'm sure seeing this, you know with a with night 2015. guidance with they set up a archive a repository at at at the pentagon and then each service is supposed to feed this data source, right? so so you take raw data and then you have to organize it and under what form do you wan

john. well, it varies from country to country in britain, the hysteria is probably worse, i think, than even in the united states in france. pretty high, but much less high in germany, it's very high and so on. so it varies from country to country. and so there's no doubt that the overwhelming balance is with of course supporting the ukrainian side . and i just like to say that i don't in a way, of course, i agree with the criticisms that have been made about the american and european political establishments. i particularly think that they have behaved ideologically . they seem blinded by ideology. why, why, why shouldn't ukraine be neutral? what, why is that ideologically so important? seems like quite a good solution. and they are blinded by that ideology. but this conflict will not be resolved by seeing the other guy's point of view or understanding the russian position. patrick, i'm responding to your earlier remark. yeah, won't be ready. by seeing the other guy's point of view, it wil

john: okay, thank you. we have a couple questions relating to the deportation of thousands of ukrainian adults from mariuipol, donetsk and luhansk in the recent weeks. so the question is, is there any information where these victims are, information on russian camps, on disappearances? any thoughts on this? mr. yermak: we have some part of this information that a lot of the people in one region are going to what we call some depression region of russia. and of course, we have this information that mainly these people going to russia against their will. that is why it it was a provocation in the beginning. that started in kharkiv, they tried to open the corridors to the territory of russia. and then understand that our people refused to go to the russians. but sometimes than it is talking about the children. that is a big problem, i said that we can say they kidnapped these children. they kidnapped these children, especially the thousands of children, the children without parents. it is a big problem. and of

and this is just one city, john. remember, there are many others getting bombarded right now by russian bombs, russian are till le artillery. you name it. if it's not working with these two, it's not looking good for these many other cities that surely need these corridors, john. >> yeah, not promising especially for the people desperate to get out. scott mclean keep us posted, thank you. >> joining us is a ukrainian journalist for the unua. alexander, thank you for being with us. you can respond to the news that the humanitarian corridors were supposed to be put in place to take people to safety and now the ukrainian officials are saying, hey, don't use these because russians are firing on ukraines. >> hi. thank you for having me. for those living in mariupol and volnovakha. and all of the sides. i don't want to blame anybody but it's a classical russian tactic. they were shelling their civilian corridors in syria. and they were shelling the civilians in military corridors in 2014 in donbas, which was after the mins

industry and government. >> thanks, john. i appreciate your mention in there especially about the talent and worker and human compoentant of this. maryann, now to you. what do you see and what do you think when you hear the word competitiveness? >> well, you know, interestingly competitiveness when we think about it at a business school we think about the competitiveness of individual firms and so there is a long sort of intellectual history where we think about competitiveness and perfect competition. large number of firms, easy entry. so, we have sort of moved away from that where we have now a high degree of concentration in a lot of industries. also want to mention that when we think about competitiveness and this again is the way that we grow the pie and we increase prosperity. but it's embedded in a system of business strategy. and so, you know, over the long run what we've seen is that how do firms secure a competitive advantage? it is either by being innovative and finding a niche that's profitable or by cutting costs

host: thanks, john. chris, any thoughts on the link between energy innovation, the inner challenges we face and national competitiveness policy? >> sure. as a general matter, i think you see a really good example of how energy dependence has geopolitical implications right now in europe, with the crisis that we are facing in ukraine. europe, germany especially, is incredibly dependent on russian energy sources and that creates geopolitical problems. so the better a job we do at investing in our own energy innovation and independence across the board, of course, it is essential. host: thanks, chris. we've got just a few minutes left. i want to end on an optimistic note. let's assume congress get to the formal conference process, the mystical creature jason has described with senator young, and congress passes something, a bipartisan competitiveness bill. do we declare mission accomplished? is the job done? what do each of you think? is it the end of the beginning? is the assembly the first step? maryann,

i'm john berman in lviv in western ukraine.ising from behind that hill. a russian military strike on what appears to be a fuel depot, a fuel storage area. we heard three blasts, and now cnn's don lemon is on the ground there, on the scene. don, give us a sense of what you're seeing. >> we are just trying to get information as to what we're seeing. according to the mayor and the military minister here, they said it was three strikes. we're being told now at least two missiles struck lviv on saturday, reports of five people injured. that is according to the governor. the governor added there are still threats of more missile strikes and said that he's posting information on social media to make sure, information about what was involved in a residential building or other infrastructure object that was not confirm preponderance of the evidence but, again, the flames are pouring out of this building. there are more people showing up, more emergency workers and media. but just to show you, these flames are still going. as you said, j

you can imagine, john, how petrified these people are.of them have been pinned down for days on end. you can see them here. they've got their pets. they've got small carry-on bags. we have seen a lot of people who are elderly, a lot of people who have difficulty walking. we're seeing a lot of people who are clearly, visibly shaken, petrified because they have been trapped in terrible bombardment for days on end and are just now starting to get out. and i've got to tell you, john, it just doesn't stop, the steady stream of people that keep coming, trying to cross the bridge. you can see there's actually water flowing through it. they have to walk across a sort of plank. you can see the upturned car from when that bridge was originally downed. but this for the people of irpin right now, john, is the only way to safety, and it is relative safety, of course, because even the city's center is being encroached upon as the fighting gets closer and closer. i don't know if my microphone is picking up on that artillery, but it is a steady stream of