in chicago, john aravosis, founder of americablog.tart by playing for you some heated sound, exchange that took place on msnbc between "hardball" host chris matthews and the republican chairman. >> he's looking to -- to europe for guidance. >> what? >> that's -- that's the problem. where you've got a government -- >> this is insane. you mean -- a fiscal policy is so -- >> so far out of control -- >> one at a time. >> the fact that every president we've had is trying to offset the economic cycle with stimulus going the other direction is somehow your opinion -- >> get the debt under control. >> what's this got to do with europe? this foreignization of the guy -- you're doing it now. >> you think -- >> obama is influenced by foreign influences? you are playing that card again. >> jennifer, chris matthews accused the chairman of engaging in the foreignization of barack obama. did that go too far? >> yeah. he was out of control. i think more than has to decide whether they want to be liberal or whether they want to be unhinged. he also we