was it -- was that -- no, augustin -- was augustin -- john augustin. i think he was actually -- i think he was actually very close to him and of course, you know, he outlived lawrence. so he was fortunate. i mean, you do wonder quite frankly if these brothers sort of banded together against this terrible witch-like figure th that -- that modern historians purport to give us. but there's no doubt. and in fact, it's interesting. he wrote to john augustin with a gaiety, a sense of fun and an adolescent braggadocio. in fact, it is john augustin to whom he famously says that i have heard the bullets and their sound is charming. i mean, the kind of boastful thing that probably adolescent brothers would say to one another. so yeah, actually, those are -- i'm glad you asked. actually, those are among the closest relationships that washington had and they would be life long. and i know you had a question. >> what would be your estimate of -- >> microphone, please. >> oh. richard, what is your estimate of the number of years of general washington's formal school