dana bash, john king, and john avalon are out front, so dana, where do you think it stands right nowapital. this is the vote that would do it. >> exactly, so they're having the final debate on that vote. and what is going to be interesting to see is if in fact the house republicans have the vote. it looks like they do, based on sort of the procedural vote that we just saw in which the so-called moderates, and the very few of them who are left were not successful in derailing this whole process. the open question is whether or not frankly there are some conservatives, or those on the other side of the republican caucus who vote no because this doesn't go far enough in what they want to do. so this is the two wings of the party that john boehner is dealing with. but big picture, assuming this goes planned with the republican house leadership, yes, this gets kicked back to the senate and they have promised to reject it immediately. and we are back at square one, back in limbo. and again, i think this is important to underscore. i have not talked to any senior republican sources who thin

also cnn political analyst john avalon. this week john boehner shocked a lot of people when he said, yes, he supports the president. since then the tide seems to be turning. candy crowley, i'll throw this to you. whether you want to call this stalled momentum, slowed, stopped. how does the american president get it back when he talks to americans on tuesday? >> he may have hit on something in that response. it was, i need to convince people this is short term. he might also need to convince them it is low risk. because i have to tell you, i spent the last ten days or so as sort of a casual tv news watcher while i was out doing some family things. no one i talked to thought this was a good idea. >> wow. >> across the board. i think there is an underestimation of how strong the negativity is about this. not in congress, you know, but elsewhere, where it's sometimes hard to really, really poll this. but i hear nothing but a negative about this idea. and what have you got, but you have a congress that's been in recess. what are

john avalon is executive director of the daily beast. john. >> good morning, carol. >> so i went to a pink floyd cover band concert this weekend and when they came to the lines, " "mother, can i trust the government" and people were on their feet shouting "no!" and it was kind of scary. >> well, trust in government is going down and it is not just congress' historically low ratings, but the recent poll shows that congress is acting like spoiled children in 1 of 7 americans. we elect congress with the idea that they will act like adults and be responsible at the heart of representative democracy, and the dereliction of duty and the hijacking of the caucus by ideological members who doesn't have an end game or solution further erodes the people's already frayed trust in government. that becomes a larger problem. when the strategic competitors around the world look at the fact that the u.s. congress is the single most liability to the economic recovery, they laugh at us, and that should frustrate folks on main street as well. the congress is

. >> john avalon joins me, cnn political analyst, and senior columnist and political director for "newsweekrol. >> good morning. a tough one, isn't it? do you agree with mr. rogers? i mean, he says the president should have been talking syria for months and months. but frankly, the american people, they don't listen all that closely. >> absolutely. look, what mike rogers' is articulating is the long-standing criticism of the government by members of congress. there's essentially not enough lbj, not enough able to armtwist with members of congress to reach out, make that sustained push to build trust. obviously within the republican conferen conference, there's deep distrust in the president. and republicans are wrestling with their own isolationist impulses against the rev visionists, age old inside the republican party. as the president prepares to make this full court press, hitting the interviews across the various stations today and televised address tomorrow, he can't ignore the members of congress. this is being thrown together late, but the president can make a case that this is in t

want to bring in our political analyst john avalon from new york. let's talk about the two who could possibly be looking for a run in 2016, marco rubio. he has previously called for military intervention in syria and saying we didn't act and it is too late right now. how does that benefit him if he decides that he is going to go for the gold? >> he was for it before he was against it. senator rubio is walking a difficult line here. he is criticizing the president from the right. the republican base, he is opposing president obama and saying because he he would like regime change and go further, faster, earlier and it is politically neat and doesn't line up with real life. there is definitely calculation with how this plays the republican base. rubio, you don't live in a perfect world and he has to make an up or down vote when it comes to a full vote in the senate. that won't be easy to explain as a stump speech in iowa or new hampshire. >> talk about hillary clinton here. a lot of people think her stand when it came to the iraq war, the green light

. >>> joining us now to talk more is cnn political analyst and executive of the daily beast, john avalon he's hearing that this isn't going to ping-pong once. it's going to ping-pong back and forth. there's another play that the house republicans will possibly make in this fight as we couldn't the down. where do republicans see a win here? seriously. >> that's a really important point. i don't think anyone has an idea of what a win looks like other than the fantasy the president will cave and defund his signature accomplishment. that is delusional. that is not going to happen. you have an extreme form of positional bargaining without any degree of practicality. this is about positioning, ideology and playing to the base, not about governing a place. >> if we get beyond the threat of a government shutdown, the next fight is over the debt ceiling. the last time we were talking about the debt ceiling i was on capitol hill, sleeping on capitol hill covering all of those negotiations over and over again. >> yes. >> we were also talking about the idea of a grand bargain, coming together to bri

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