and john avalon, we were talking to john brisman from punch bowl news, and we do not expect him to say that he is stepping down, but the question that a lot of the democrats say is that he might use this news conference to say he is going to announce re-election, and not only to say that i am not going anywhere, but iall-in and he is up in 2024. >> yes, and this is a clear contrast by the democratic party to the republicans tiptoeing around donald trump with the indictments, and clear course of condemnation from the delegation, and one of the members of the delegation of andy kim said that he is going to primary senator menendez which is significant and maybe more to come, but the senate does operate like a boys club, and they want to preserve the idea of innocent until proven guilty as appropriate and not forcing one of their colleagues out, because they did just that in effect with al franken, and to much regret down the line. but the core idea should be clear, as democratic crook is as bad as a republican crook, and you to uphold the equal standards above partisanship, and so it was

joining us to talk about more on this is john avalon and margaret hoover also the host of "the firing line" on pbs. broad question first, because we have been talking and diving into the new poll number, and just how bad are they for joe biden. what are you seeing in the trend? >> they are bad for joe biden. no sugar coating this. you can move across the aisle and say take it with a grain of salt, but the overall issue is that the age and perceptions of vigor are dragging him down, and this is the poll among democrats and independents are seeing is serious erosion. and also the gap of the economy, and it is abjekabjectiveely bet ter -- better, and so people are not feeling it. >> and the reason is because joe biden is not doing the victory laps around it in every corner of the country, and this is my policy, and you have me to thank for this, and don't you feel good about it? i think that the polling is not looking good for joe biden as john pointed out, but the difference is that it is not saying trump v. biden. as soon as it is biden against donald trump, the numbers will look a lit

and john avalon is starting with me this morning and i love it.n and cnn political analyst margaret hoover, and you are here together. >> delighted to be here. >> of course. >> and the host of "firing line" and i feel like i am in the crossfire here, but i want to step back to talk about this idea of impeaching president biden and what is going on here? what are we doing? what is the evidence? what is happening? >> it is performtive nonsense, and tit-for-tat of the two impeachments of donald trump which were merited of the facts of the case, and it is historic high crimes and misdemeanors and you have to be looking at the precedents of history, and nothing rises to that. they say it is an inquiry and they have the suspicions of the biden funds and fortunes, but the idea to raise it to this is muddying the waters and the partisan distractions, and they don't have the numbers to pass it given that biden won 18 of the seats that they won in the house, but they will do it, because it will play well with the base, but it is a bad precedent. >> and the

"outfront" now, john avalon -- thanks to all of you. so, congressman, traditionally, at least you know in the way we would think about things, democrats, the union, but 22-point edge among union workers in 2020. 31 in 1992. it's been a precipitous drop. mccomb county where trump is tonight, blue collar. he won in 2016. those are sizable. that election was decided. so is there an opening for trump? >> there is. look, i was a republican member of congress. i was endorsed by many unions in my district, which you know, it's kind of unique in illinois how they do it a little bit but i think there is a real gang of republicans in donald trump's case among the working class and it's not because of a union issue. it's not because of prevailing wage. it's not because of project labor agreement, all these issues. it's because culturally, the democrats are not speaking to the working class right now. when you talk about a border issue and the democrats are fairly silent on it, they are, let's be honest. that bothers somebody. whether they are part

also with us is cnn senior political analyst john avalon, and stewart c, senior advisor at the lincolnct who is a former republican strategist and author of the book, conspiracy to end america. john, that last chunk of the exchange dug deep into the psyche of someone who is coming out of someone. a deep fog perhaps. jake asked if there is something, she did think it was a cult, what did you think? >> i think that, that's a really important interview for people who are still under sway of trump to watch and take in, the process she is being told you understandably for someone who has worked in the white house and was confronting lies that had led to an take on the capitol, and witnessed the lies up close and their corrosive impact on her and the country. she ultimately did move outside that hothouse that she lived in. but so many people are still in it. the fact that she is one of many trump officials that now say donald trump is the gravest threat to democracy in our lifetime, possibly in american history, that's striking. that calls coming from within the house. and people who are sti