if the president and john baner reach a deal, does everybody have to go along with it, or would there be some no votes? >> well, have you 435 individuals, and there will be no votes. what you need is the majority. if john baner and president obama reach a deal i predict that it will pass the united states congress both in the house and the senate. >> and as you heard from some republicans who are upset that speaker baner would even be willing to talk about new revenue. forget about tax rates and republicans a lot of them don't want to talk about revenue. what do you make of that? >> what i hear is they want spending cuts first. we have done this a couple times before where we give into the democrats. we have rate increases and increased revenue. we never can get to the spending cuts. i think if you are going to get to the magic number, 218, for most of the house republicans they want to see the spending cuts first. >> what about that, debbie? we hear about the president's demands when it comes to tax rates. we have not heard much from the president and from the white house and from de

president obama and house speaker john baner -- john boehner spoke wednesday but publicly are holding firm on their positions. it's made clear the country could go over the cliff if congress fails to come to a agreement. the standoff and the country's skyrocketing debt concerned ryan ryan, so much so that he's the guy in the suit dancing gangnam style with former senator alan simpson. the can kicks back is working to get young people back to fixing the debt crisis. >> we're using humor to hook them in and get them to learn about this issue and understand how it affects their lives. >> reporter: the grass roots campaign wants to sign up more than two million people to put pressure on both sides. danielle nottingham, cbs news, washington. >>> 9news now is talking to our local congressional members about the fiscal cliff. and tonight at 7:00 p.m., maryland senator ben cardin will join derek mcginty in our studio. last night virginia democrat jerry connolly stopped by and the 11th district representative stressed that there is room for compromise on his party's side. >> it ought to be ope

today no cameras as the president sat down with john baner. no details are being offered which some will see as good news. the co creator of a debt reducing plan does see progress. >> anytime you have two guys in there and you have a chance to get it done. >> some republicans were admitting that the president will get a you lot of what he wants. joy let's face it. -- >> let's face it. he has the upper happened on taxes. the upper hand on taxes. >> why the compromising words? the white house moderated demands. the president says tax rates for the wealthy have to rise, but now word that the actual rate could be negotiatable! >> will i accept the tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? yes. >> the problems according to republicans entitlement. and a leading democrat embraced a way to cut medicare costs. it is called means testing meaning those who make more would have to pay more for medicare. >> those with higher income and retirement could pay more. >> it is a two-man negotiation with the speaker feeling the heat from h

today no cameras as the president sat down with john baner. no details are being offered which some will see as good news. the co creator of a debt reducing plan does see progress. >> anytime you have two guys in there and you have a chance to get it done. >> some republicans were admitting that the president will get a you lot of what he wants. joy let's face it. -- >> let's face it. he has the upper happened on taxes. the upper hand on taxes. >> why the compromising words? the white house moderated demands. the president says tax rates for the wealthy have to rise, but now word that the actual rate could be negotiatable! >> will i accept the tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? yes. >> the problems according to republicans entitlement. and a leading democrat embraced a way to cut medicare costs. it is called means testing meaning those who make more would have to pay more for medicare. >> those with higher income and retirement could pay more. >> it is a two-man negotiation with the speaker feeling the heat from h

diversity cops is going tell how speaker john baner what to do. >> congresswoman can days miller of michiganir the house administration committee. >> jon: we got one! whoo! a lady with lady parts! she will be the chair of the house administration committee whose responsibilities apparently range from making congress more open and accessible to ensuring the house runs efficiently and smoothly. (audience reacts) (laughter) so we've got a woman to be-- to coin a phrase-- the housewife. (laughter) problem solved. we'll be right back. (cheers and applause) (cheers and applause) >> jon: my guest tonight is 2012 cy young award winner. his new book is called "wherever i wind up" and he's the subject in the documentary film "knuckleball." >> you're considered a fluke is basically what it comes down to. i want to combat that because i think it's a very valid pitch. >> >> r.a. is committed to proving that it's not a gimmick. that it's-- to use one of his favorite words-- authentic. and i think he's really on a mission to prove the legitimacy of the knuckleball. >> jon: sweet! please welcome r.a. dickie

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john baner proposed an earning threshold of a million dollars for the higher tax rates. a deal must be reached by january 1st or automatic spending cuts will take affect. >>> crazy moments at a popular bay area mall when a fire breaks out. >>> a half million dollar mistake that you pay for on your energy bill. >>> and can you taste the difference? the new ingredient being added to a popular diet soda. >>> meteorologist paul deanno here. if you're looking for a different weather forecast than what we've had. it's been cloudy and wet. all the way out to christmas eve we'll go in the forecast, coming up next. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, hill neighborhood. police tell us they did find a sho he suspect's apartm . >>> new details in a tense police stand off in san franciscos knob hill neighborhood. police are telling us they found a shotgun in a suspect's apartment. a report of a domestic dispute saturday night. the man may have been armed. the suspect surrendered peacefully. he's being held on suspicion of domestic violence. >>> a crazy scene at bay area mall tonight. linda yee is

. >> john baner says negotiations are going as he put it almost nowhere. without an agreement. hundreds of billions of dollars in tax increases take effect in january. >> if the fiscal cliff wasn't enough there's another problem that threatens to suck billions of dollars out of the economy. the california labor dispute that may need a nudge from the president. >> great news for anybody with about 26.2 miles of outdoor activity planned for the weekend. the weather may get worse. >> we have a lot more rainfall heading toward the bay area but the timing of things has changed a bit. details on that coming up in about six minutes. stick around. but a strike has effectively shut down the port of entryr many of those prod . >> we depend on goods shipped from over seas but a strike shut down the port of entry for many products the part of las angeles and long beach california. it came to about $200 billion worth this year. so what's the problem? here's cbs news reporter john black stone. >> reporter: it began with 70 workers now all 800 members of the union are on strike. but 10,000 ot

and when john baner asked what his initial reaction was, the house speaker was so angry he dropped an f-bomb. >> i was flabbergasted. for more on obama's plan let's go to dj mcpaw-paw mcwhiskers. >> that was amazing. he can really spin. you pay $35 to get him to show up. dan, when was the last time you were flabbergasted? isn't it hard to be flabbergasted? >> every time i read the business section. up and down i have so many stocks and stuff. >> say mutual funds. >> mutual funds and numbers. numbers. >> let me ask you, terry, is obama overreaching here? there is no reason to over reach here. except to beat the republicans. >> the got, their leadership they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. i know it sounds bad, walk away. you know what, walk away because you voted for him. this is what you want. this is what you get. the only way things will change in america is if there is national pain or sacrifice where people go, oh this isn't the way to do it. by the way, before you say the walk away trot out marco rubio and you can say this is what you wanted. talk to me in a couple y

the move by house speaker john baner is a concession in negotiations with president obama to avoid theast approaching end of temporary tax cuts. it falls far short of the president's demands for an increase on households earning $ 250,000. while it suggests a possible breakthrough in the standoff, a spokesman for speaker baner says a deal is definitely not imminent. anotherring soggy day in the bay area. lisa argen is here tracking all of this wet weather. >> most of the heavy rain, well i should say all of the heavy rain will arrive tonight. just scattered light showers. mainly north and in the city right now. you can see the clouds out there, but we have sunshine in parts of the south bay and the east bay. what to expect the rest of your sunday. i'll let you know about that and the pretty wet week ahead. that's coming up. >> also ahead, hundred of -- hundreds of nurses are using this holiday season to send a message to their employers. what they have planned this >>> thousands of bay area union nurses will hold a one-day strike on christmas eve. the california nurse's association say

. >> any plan would need house speaker john baner to bring it to the floor for a vote. republican representative tom cole says he's confident that boehner can get the votes he needs. >> on the speaker's plan, he had over 200 republican votes, it's not as if he had an awfully strong hand to play, if it's a deal john boehner can accept, it will be passed in a bipartisan manner with a very strong majority. if on the other hand he's neutral or not favorable, his chances will be a lot slimmer. >> lisa desjardins following the fiscal cliff negotiations on capitol hill. do you have any good news for us, lisa? >> reporter: the news is a little better than it was earlier today. we know negotiations are still happening. there was a point today where we thought there was a total breakdown. tonight it's between senator mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. we're some of the last people in the building. i know -- come on through, guys, if you want. there's one of the crews that -- the worker crews are starting to come into work tonight. we're the last reporting crew. all the

the president bush for john baner is it's not clear. he has the votes to pass that. almost all democrats are opposed to that on party principal. you have seen republican groups like heritage action and club for growth recommend a no vote on plan b. it's a big question whether john boehner has 218 votes to get the back up plan passed through the house. >> the plan b for people who are not familiar would raise taxes on incomes above $1 million, but does nothing to deal with the across the board spending cuts known as the sequester which we talked so much about, entitlement spending and provisions that the president brought up today. he pointed out laj cally the plan makes no sense when you look at what the republicans said they want to do, particularly attack spending cuts and spending in the country and does not address that. >> the timing is also very important too. this plan b that house speaker john boehner is proposing came after president obama made his biggest concessions in the cliskal cliff debate. as well as actually proposing adjustments to the cost of livin

. >> at the same meeth house speaker john baner said republicans have made a reasonable offer to the president with a balanced plan to raise revenues and cut spending. during a fla tla debate on the fiscal cliff today, the house will not adjourn for the holidays until they have reach add deal. >>> on wall street today it was a mixed day on the market. the dow jump td almost 83 points t. nasdaq fell about 23 points and the s & p 500 was up a little more than two points. >>> anger over action by egypt's new president turned into another violent protest today outside the presidential pals a. there are reports some demonstrators broke through barbed wire and hurled chairs and rocks at police and that people in support of the president beat some protesters with clubs. president morsey angered many people with the decree last month that gave him more power. secretary of state hilary clinton said today the unrest shows an urgent need for dialogue on both sides. >>> the u.s. state department confirmed today it is looking into reports that syrian president may be seeking asylum in another cou

. >> the critical point here is will john baner be willing to bring up a bill in the house that's a compromiset may require more democratic votes than republican votes? that is anathema to him, but it may be the only way out of thiss me. >> brown: norm ornstein, christina bellantoni, thanks so much. >> suarez: still to come on the "newshour": targeting pakistan's polio eradication workers; state department security failures; the pros and cons of saving versus spending and north dakota's senator elect. but first, the other news of the day. here's hari sreenivasan. >> sreenivasan: amid the fiscal cliff fight, members of the house and senate paid final respects today to the late senator daniel inouye. the hawaii democrat died monday at the age of 88. he had served as a u.s. senator for five decades. inouye's body lay in state in the capitol rotunda, an honor that's been bestowed on just 31 people. at a service, senate majority leader harry reid called him a legend of the senate. >> senator inouye was one of the deluxe senators to ever walk the hallowed halls of this great building. he leaves behi

. >>> keeping a close eye for you on the house floor where speaker john baner is expected to speak att negotiations on so-called fiscal cliff. he's been with the president and the speaker on the bargaining table. some republicans are continuing to push back against president obama's red line. tax increases for the most wealthy. >> the game you're playing is small ball. you're talking about raising rates on the top 2% that would run the government for 11 days. you just got re-elected. how about doing something big that's not liberal. how about doing something big that really is about partisan. every big idea he has is a liberal idea that drowns us in debt. how about manning up here, mr. president. >> joining me is congressman chris van holland, a ranking member in the house committee. >> good to be with you. >> we're hearing there from lindsey graham his thoughts on fox news and this morning former governor haley barbour was on "morning joe" today and said he would support the higher taxes for the wealthy if -- >> as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets

. >> what possible prize could be big enough for the president to concede and for john baner to takeblicans so that they would say, okay, now i can sell this tax hike or at least it will give me some cover? >> i feel some sympathy for the speaker because i know he's in a very difficult set of circumstances but we had an election. the polling that i've seen indicates that at least 60% or more of the american people believe that taxes should be increased on the upper 2% while protecting the bottom 98% from tax increases. and so the people are on the side of the speaker and of the president and i think the president and the speaker are talking, that's really good, but ultimately the speaker's got to decide what is more important to him, resolving this issue, moving the country forward, or, quite frankly, giving in to members of his caucus that under no circumstances believe that a tax increase would ever be permissible to them. >> so, chip, give us a sense of what it might be like behind the scenes in he's delegate negotiations. how do these deals get made? >> there's a couple of differ

john banner is offering a trillion dollar in tax increases. in return, baner wants a trillion dollar in government programs like medicare. democrats say no way on that one. >> icate middle one made her first -- kate mittleton maid or first appearancen maid her first appearance. the duchess was healthy. she gave the award who oversaw the 2012 olympics. >> so amazing pictures to show you of a volcanoes. equsdor issued wash warnings for the turn tos close by. it was a moderate one followed by two larger e rupzs of burning rock, gas and rock. authorities are encouraging residents to get out. >>> we have some rain. are we going to see some snow? >> definitely see snow in the sierra. you were asking me are we going to see snow isn't bay area? the foot hills around 2,000 feet, but as temperatures drop, we lose most of our moisture, so we'll see frost than flurries. >> the first round of shoes making their way -- showers making their way up, up north. they will fill in overnight tonight, scattered in nature. not heavy rain, but certainly enough to make a mess for the

baner is useless. >> good to see both of you. mark, i'll start with you. how much trouble is john boehner in, do you think?it remains to be seen, richard. i wouldn't want to be in john boehner's shoes rooity now. the most likely path of averting the fiscal cliff before the new year would be getting what president obama laid out yesterday and that was extending the bush-era tax cuts of $250,000 or below as well as extending unemployment insurance and if it sails through the senate and gets to the house and john boehner allows that to get up to a vote it would most likely pass without a majority of house republicans and that could infuriate the republican caucus. the other option for house speaker john boehner would be to hold firm to hold their ground. however, that's actually the most likely outcome to going over the fiscal cliff and all polls, actually show that republicans would bear the brunt of the blame for that. so i wouldn't want to be in john boehner's shoes right now. >> either way, if it is the first scenario that mark marked out for us, if not speaker boehner, then who might replace them should

baner making comments earlier. meanwhile, a new poll out today on the cliff, economy and our leaders in washington. johnwood live at the wlous with more on that, john, over to you. >> reporter: sue, we will have full details tonight after 6:30 p.m. but for now, we've got one early release question which the results will not come as a surprise to anybody on our network because the desire by the public for law makers in washington to make a deal is very strong. when we ask people, do you want both sides to compromise on their positions, even if that means cuts in social security and higher taxes, or do you want them to stick to their position, 65% of the american people say they want both parties to compromise only 28% say stick to your positions. that is very consistent with the desire on wall street. and it is on main street as well, to get something done. and as you mentioned, sue, there has not been much external signs of a deal. though we did have an exchange of offers and that at least is something. >> indeed, john, it is. thank you very much. john harwood live at the white house. ty? >> sue, joinin