when mncconnell on monday and john banham said they're willing to move on taxes and unemployment serbs, it sounded like folks who were not willing to face the same budget dysfunction. >> we can be discouraged and we all are. it is possible to miss the fact that in some ways, big things have happened over the past year. there is now a big discussion underway about when to cut spending, not whether to cut spending. it is a messy process but that is progress. some things have happened but they're not happening with the ease and simplicity we all might like but that does not mean that things are not happening. >> thank you both for being with us on "newsmakers." [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> he did not have a lot of romantic ideas about spying. he sought it for what it was. -- saw it for what it was. -- saw it for what it was. >> carl colby