john stumpf who joins me now in a rare and exclusive broadcast interview. welcome to the "closing bell," john. >> thank you. nice to be here. >> thank you so much for joining us. i want to talk first about the broad environment, what you're seeing, because we talk so much here about the challenges as a result of washington and this slowing growth story for the economy. what are you seeing? >> well, 2012 was the year housing really made its statement at its back. it's not back to where it was, but surely we can now say housing has turned the corner so that's a good thing for the economy. when housing does well, everything else seems to do well. quite a multiplier effect. in fact, there's been no recovery in this country of size or stability without housing participating or leading. energy is doing pretty well. we see some manufacturing, but to be honest about it, the recovery is still not as strong as it needs to be. there's still too much uncertainty, and there needs to be more clarify for the economy to take off. >> a really important point because i think businesses are, you know, shaping up and are currently in great shape in terms of cash on balance sheets. >> terrific. >> so they have the potential to put money to work, although that uncertainty factor is really keeping them from doing so. >> in fact, corporate balance sheets have never been better. liquidity, cash, we've grown 300 billion in core deposits in four years. you know, consumer balance sheets. even though the debt hasn't come down that much because interest rates are so low, the interest carries. the debt service is back to 1998 or 1990 so there's great capacity to invest, to hire, to grow, to buy things, but this uncertainty thing puts a real cloud on things otherwise people would do. they are putting them in abeyance. >> i'm going to get back to that. a real issue. want to get your take on solutions, but you mentioned interest rates and this low interest rate environment. you're putting your bet on growing net interest income. >> correct. >> let me ask you about that. even in this low environment how do you do it? what's the plan? >> you do more deposits, more loans. in fact, last year our net interest income, the difference between what we get on the loans versus what we pay on deposits, an endless margin, dropped 18 basis point but we actually grew net interest income so you do more, and we've dealt with this low rate environment before. do i think rates are too low? yes. a lot of monetary stimulus, but we're able to operate in that environment, and it's been a real bargain for borrowers. on the other hand, savers have paid a real price. >> how do you offset that knowing that it's become tougher to make money in banking? >> well, this year we grew revenues by 6% quarter over quarter from a year ago and 6% you took the whole year. almost all of it on the non-interest income side. half of our revenues come from fee for services, mortgage brokerages, other things so we don't only live on the margin, if you will, so think of a company that can produce those kind of revenue numbers with no help from the margin or very little help so this is a company with enormous capacity to help customers and return stuff to our shareholders. >> a lot of times when the analyst community talks about wells fargo, they obviously talk about mortgages, talk about a lot of exposure, increasing exposure to mortgage banking compared to rivals. one of the analysts i guess from goldman sachs downgraded your stock to a neutral from a buy citing this greater exposure to mortgage banking. break it down for us in terms of priorities at the bank. we recognize that mortgage banking is incredibly important but is he right? what do you do in an environment where some people question whether or not you've got an overexposure to one part of the business in. >> okay. well, first of all, i don't not only like the mortgage business but i love it. the reason i love it is because our customers love it. two-thirds of americans on homes they have not lost their emotional attachment to own a home and our 30% share there, half of that is an aggregation share. we buy loans from other originators in a corresponding business and help package them, provide liquidity and sell those. our real share is about 15%. 10% of our deposits in the country are part of wells fargo so a 10% share there. everybody takes a deposition it and not everybody makes a mortgage loan so 15% is not that outsized. we still have tons of opportunity. as i like to say, this is more than a one-trick pony. we have so many other things going on with the company. we have 84 different businesses. we're number one in small business, middle market. >> autos. >> distribution, love the credit card business and the student lending business and the asset-based lending business. there's tons of stuff going on, and all those other things have also had record years. it might not be as visible because people talk about mortgages, but this is a broad diverse financial services company that, you know, provides services for all kinds of customers. >> so where does the growth come from, the real sizable growth in the coming here's. i don't want to be so short-term oriented. that is sort of the norm on wall street when everyone is looking at estimates. look long term for us. >> sure. >> what's your vision in terms of where the growth comes from? >> first of all, let's take mortgage for a second. we still have tons of customers who call us our bank, deposit their money with us and have their checking account and their mortgage some place else so there's still opportunity there. but i think wealth brokerage retirement is a huge opportunity. 10,000 americans retire a day in america, so that's a big opportunity for us. we're undersizing that business. i like the insurance distribution business. i like the small business business, so there's a whole bunch of things that when you have that diversified model,ing does better not quarter over quarter but over the long term. >> we were talking about the social security and raising the eligibility age and lawmakers saying this hasn't been changed, low-hanging fruit in terms of getting our way around debt. speaking of retirement, should social security recipients get it it at 80 as opposed to 67? what's your take? >> i can't pick an age, but i do know this. we have a fiscal and financial problem in this country, and i know people have talked about, you know, if you had a family you couldn't live at this and borrow at that. think of this as a perspective. the average american family owes 200,000 on their mortgage and 15 million mortgages in america and took the national debt and split it up among the 50 million homeowners, they would owe 530,000 on their mortgages. if we don't get this thing fixed three years, four years now, 600,000 on the mortgage, 400,000 on the debt. we have problems. we need revenues and expenses. if we can figure that out. we can get away from this cliff and that cliff and pivot to a growth agenda. we're going to grow our way out of this, maria. not going to save our way out or tax our way out, but those things do matter. i'm glad ceos are spending time expressing their thoughts on these issues. >> but we're living cliff by cliff. >> yes. >> it's amazing to me that we haven't, you know, put out real solutions. has this, do you think, become an impediment for business? has it become an impediment for your business that all this uncertainty and the fact that we can't make any decisions in washington, even though the corporate balance sheet is quite strong. >> absolutely. what did we talk about in december? nothing but fiscal cliff. it even drove santa claus off the front page. all we talked about. >> that's true. >> now the debt ceiling and then it's sequester and the continuing resolution. we go from this cliff to that cliff, and we don't deal with the problem. if we deal with the problem, there's so many assets in america. we can grow our way out of this. >> let me ask you about getting out of a problem and for many it's regular laying. after the 2008 upset, the banking sector has faced much higher regulation. things are changing quite a bit. we're no longer riding a wave of deregulation, quite the opposite. talk to us about the regulatory environment and how you see it. >> clearly regulations increased. we have dodd/frank with, you know, thousands of pages. let's be honest about it. there were some bad actors prior to 2008. i'm all in favor of good solid regulation with regulators who have real teeth and can make things happen. what i don't want to have happen is excessive regulation that stands in the way of us serving our customers. i mean -- >> what's excess? what's one rule that you think is excess? >> i don't know what it's going to look like but look at volcker. if volcker is written poorly or too broadly, it could keep us from serving customers. these 2 million mortgages that we made last year, each one of them got a rate lock. we would say, maria, for the next 90 days we'd make you a mortgage at 3.5%. well, i've got to protect myself some way on that so i buy a hedge to make sure that if it rates go the wrong way i'm protected, i hope volcker doesn't get in the way of that. how about hedging, you know, commodities. i have a brother who farms corns and puts all his input costs in by april. might want to sell some of that crop. we do that or people like us do that. >> right. >> this is good stuff that helps americans. >> and you're not going to do it if you're handcuffed in another part of the business. >> absolutely, or more difficult to do it or it becomes unavailable. >> right. >> i'm worried about the flow of credit as opposed to, you know, what regulation does there. >> i've got to get your take on the federal reserve and i know you won't be giving too much away because you've already put your capital plan forward. the federal reserve has to tell you if they are okaying it and if you'll be paying dividends, buying back stock. where are your priorities, givebacks or buybacks? >> both. we want to return more capital. have more capital today than in the history of the company. that's one of the real strengths is the strengths of its financial services companies, and we stand tall in that area. we think that we've earned the right to return more and we've asked for more. >> and you'll know by march. >> we'll know by march. >> john, good to have you on the program. >> thank you very much. >> john stumpf, president and ceo at wells fargo. intel shares on the move. latest quarterly results are out. i'll speak with stacy smith, coming up, before we go to break. phil lebeau with the latest on the troubles happening at boeing and how the past can inform on what's next for the 787. stay with us. >>> welcome back. check out the move on intel. the chip giant announcing fourth-quarter results. jon fortt has been poring over the numbers. what can you tell us? >> gross mar jib came in a point higher than intel projected, at 58% as opposed to 57%. predicting the same for q1. q1, the revenues they are projecting, are a little bit under the consensus. 12.7 billion plus or minus half a billion. they are projecting low single-digit revenue increase for fiscal 2013. gross margin at 60%. $30 billion in capital expenditures, a couple more things really quick. inventories were down more than half a billion dollars. half a billion d