john bessler, his professor of law at the university of baltimore and at georgetown university in the u. s. he is also author of the book, the death penalties, denial of fundamental human rights and professor, we are glad to have you with us tonight. i want to ask you, you are from the united states, a country where the death penalty is legal, where the death penalty is carried out. still, i mean that club as we just heard, includes countries such as china, saudi arabia, iran, egypt. what's it like being an american law professor at a world congress dedicated to abolishing the death penalty? yeah, i've been working on this issue about 30 years actually, and this is the, the 8th world was actually in berlin. these are held periodically and the both the, the german justice minister and the, and the german foreign minister spoke out against the death penalty and, and in one case described how it's really inconsistent with a democratic democracy. and we look at that, the kinds of countries are using it, definitely regularly. you see china, iran, rac, north korea and us just shouldn't belo