problem with the system and one other question we would like to ask him, is he a member of the john birch society that is a new corporation company. >> host: let's give james o'keefe a chance to respond. >> guest: i can doublecheck that, but john birch organization, no, as far as i can see it as the boy scouts of america and the third thing about that, like i said, there is a long tradition going into places like mental institutions and exposing abuses that happened there. there is actually a case that the new york daily news reported the quake i actually went to city hall posing as a telephone repairman and he was a winner of journalism awards. the element of false pretenses, abc primetime live, they went into grocery stores and have actually imposed and got jobs to expose the rotten meat. so daniel ellsberg is a hero. but i am apparently the worst person in the entire world for using this pretense while inside a federal building. i think we need to be consistent because we are consistent. i have defended these whistleblowers. i wrote an op-ed and i said that the punishment is part of th

john birch, no, the only organization my father and i belong to our the boy scouts of america, and abouting false pretenses, we represent ourselves as telephone -- telephone repairman, and there is a long history of journalists going into places like the list institutions and exposing abuses. there was a case in the 1940s where a guy went into city hall posing as a telephone repair man and he was a winner of journalism awards. in element of false pretense "to catch a predator." abc news-- in fact, actually got jobs to expose. they went peabody's. the guy who bugged mitch doj,nell is protected by but i am a worse person for using a pretense while inside of a federal building. you need to be consistent. i have defended whistleblowers. i have sent the problem is and -- is in commencement with the crime. we should not be attacking journalists, but defending everyone's freedom of speech, and we should be examining whether this ms. demeanor -- this ms. demeanor they have me on [indiscernible] independent scholar. mr.er: good morning, o'keefe. you are articulate, but you have one of the largest

i guess our next coup in america will be the tea party and the john birch society, so who knows.but we are blessed. it's only going to be 114 degrees here by the oregon border, so try to stay cool under the circumstances. thank you. god bless c-span. host: gene, we appreciate you calling him. one of the polls that came, from the gallup poll that we initially to questions on this youing, is this -- do think designers of the declaration of independence would be pleased or disappointed by the way the united states has turned out? , and that category, 60 nine percent said the founders would be disappointed and 77% of those anticipating 65 and older said that the signers of the declaration of independence would be disappointed by the way the united states has turned out. again, one of the questions asked by the gallup poll, which initially took this question, if you are proud to be an american. emily in st. petersburg, florida, independent line. caller: emily? host: emily, you are on. -- my commentd th to the viewers is that we are not a monarchy, that cultures evolve, and that the mo