and goldwater was during the peak of getting coke fred coke's you know funding of the john birch society the cold water would never say john birch society it's the tea party which was largely funded and created by the son of fred koch and songs david and charles koch. has achieved national prominence and. credibility is i guess not too strong a word. how did they pull that off when their father couldn't do it with the john birch society when they're preaching basically the same message. you know basically the you've got craven politicians like mitt romney who are trying to prove that they are more conservative than all of their conservative opponents in the primaries and this guy just panders to them and you have that going on that syndrome going on with politicians all over the country in utah in indiana you have. stable once once once very moderate politicians republicans now having to prove that they've got hair on their chest in terms of the republican right wing and and it doesn't work i mean in most of these cases the ultra right wing. tosses them out in these primaries and so you

one particular moment there was a man, he said this was an omission, he was a member of the john birch society, and so he was, we asked that opening question, what brought you to the tea party. he said i first became aware of the problem, and then he stopped, and then he said i love foreigners, and changed the subject. [laughter] and odyssey people were being, you're being careful, you know you're talking to harvard academics come down to your town. people were being very careful. but if you think, i used to stress this point, concerns about mexican-americans. there's an assumption that they really be lied to the category of mexican-americans with a legal immigrant, they are not well distinguish categories. and there was a very deep concern about sharia law, sort of, some sort of an islamic takeover of the united states is a very popular idea in tea party circles but those are the most visceral fears i recall hearing. >> my name is brad. i'm in the sociology department at my interest is in the religious compositions of the tea party movement and the role religion plays. you made a distinction

evening news you would never know that it existed when i was there was the john birch society and that's in fact that's where i got a copy of the j.b.s. but there. phyllis schlafly some of these things would be out there they would circulate but there was there was a kind of formal culture and people spoke in a certain way and they participate in a certain way and certain subjects were discussed and republicans had to learn to play in that way so you could not say you could not play in politics and. any effort to move money to people or employed was socialism because then the people the c.b.s. evening news would treat you like a wild man and you'd be in trouble and so never dirksen had called jack kennedy a socialist he would not have been invited back on face the nation and even even have an end of the political system. the political the political system of the time because the media system reinforce a political system that forced cooperation and one of the things that has really changed is that our. you know people always say it's worse than it used to be and if you say it long enough

back to to the 19th century, they are now married to being the virgin of the party that the john birch societyanted them to be. i don't understand it but they're wedded to it. >> according to a new nbc "wall street journal" poll, the president leads among women voters, 53% to 38%. back in april, romney was asked whether he supports the lily ledbetter act. is this the reason romney is so far behind? is there anything that romney and republicans can do to win over women voters like yourself? >> well, i think that there are a lot of different reasons for women to have their particular views on which candidate, but it does seem like as senator reid said, there's an opportunity here for republican presidential candidate and for the members of the senate to identify themselves as supporting this legislation and being in favor of women being paid fairly for a fair day's work. i don't see why they would want to support that and i'm sure women will reward them if they do. >> that's right, isn't it? >> i think the one thing you could sort of pull out of this, to make it logical, this is about supporting

the john birch society wanted to attack kennedy for being all kinds of things but president barack obama is the first african-american president in our country's history. this is an enormous step of progress civilizing events and the tea party and these birthers hate it. >> what should they do? >> i don't think it should be focused on these people. focused on the candidate of the republican party and must be a call on the republican establish document disavow -- >> what should mitt romney do? >> he should make the equivalent. i hate to put the two together because president obama's race speech was so important. i think he must call on the birthers an those in this movement to stop the disgrace that they are bringing on america and make an important speech. i don't think so because i think they're very worried -- >> but he's fund-raising with them. >> he us a fund-raising with them. he is in bed in many ways. they have created and let foster something that is not new, we have seen it, a paranoid fringe but given more power. on some level i feel we shouldn't be talking about it but we have

this was the talk radio listeners deciding to take over the poifrlt was the john birch society peopleding when they pushed back in the '50s, they decided to come roaring back. now the republican party when i was growing up is gone. mitt romney is merely the place holder. it wouldn't matter who the nominee was. they have to go with this base. they have to go with this tide until it burns itself out. >> in ten seconds. >> during the bush administration, democrats called for bush's impeachment. i and a lot of democrats denounced it. when people said general petraeus was general betray us because of what he did in iraq, i had a lot of democrats denounce it. so there's a lot for denouncing what's wrong. >> i'm going to have to cut you off. martin bashir turns over his show one friday for a few minutes and you guys just -- >> anarchy. >> yes. anarchy. thanks to all of you. have a fantastic weekend. >>> coming up, the highway to summer. we'll check in with our man on the streets. a very busy holiday weekend kicks off. i'm freaking out man. why? i thought jill was your soul mate. no, no it's

majority view and stick to the party line and impose a minority view on the country, and so the john birch society now, and the only way to impo import a minority view is doctrine their people who are willing to go along. >> and joy ann, that is an extremely helpful way to talk about this, and we will talk about where have all of the moderates gone right after this, and why north carolina felt lik week. and i'm not talking about john edwards. ♪ where have all of the cowboys gone ♪ [ male announcer ] research suggests the health of our cells plays a key role throughout our entire lives. ♪ one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin, designed for many of men's health concerns as we age. ♪ it has more of seven antioxidants to support cell health. that's one a day men's 50+ healthy advantage. is this where we're at now? we just eat whatever tastes good? like these sweet honey clusters... actually there's a half a day's worth of fiber in every ... why stop at cereal? bring on the pork chops and the hot fudge. fantastic. are you done sweetie? yea [ male announcer ] fiber one. are you done sweetie? ye

in 1964, the john birch society was smart enough to ask barry goldwater, do you want our direct endorsementas smart enough to say basically hey i want your vote, not your endorsement. that's all. do i think it is right? hell, no, i don't think it is right. >> peter: let me put it this way. what if we had a -- like george clooney, barack obama is using as part of the fund-raising effort. if george clooney came out and said i happen to know that mitt romney had multiple wives the man is a mormon. he had multiple wives. we need to see his marriage certificate, we need to see that he's never been married before. would barack obama just come out and say you know, i can't speak for him. it is just george being george. i don't think obama would do that. >> i think it is difficult to say. your caller makes an interesting point because this whole do you want my direct assistance or not is what you're seeing among the republicans and the democrat side, too. joe biden gave a speech to the house democrats. if you want me to be on the trail with you, i'm lay low. if you want me to not get involved at al

no you know perfectly well i have nothing to do with the john birchsoach -- birch society. of course not and you know better and shame on you. host: let's go to brad in ohio. good morning. caller: good morning. i had a question for you. do you think that president obama has done well for the native americans in the d.c. school district area? thank you. caller: this is a subject outside my expertise. i wasn't aware that there was a significant native american population in the district of columbia. maybe there is. but i'll answer you more broadly if you'd like, which is that even leaving aside the obama administration, i think that for decades and possibly even centuries the united states has not handled that issue well at all. we have created these reservations that have become little government plantation force native americans where they have really -- it's like a laboratory of statism where everything is provided, their health care, their income supports and so on and so forth. and they've sort of many -- not all but many native americans have lost the zest for life, the