scathing new look at the koch plus families world and the ultraconservative john birch society. rles koch's roots with the john birch society. >> for more we go to washington, d.c. am a joined by its author lisa graves for president of the progressive inc. welcome back to democracy now! can you lay out what these new revelations are that you have found out? >> yes, thank you so much for having us on. we been doing research in archives across the country. what we have discovered is not just that fred koch, charles and david koch's father was a member of the john birch society and helped found it, but charles koch himself followed his father's footsteps into the john birch society, which was a very extreme organization that spent the 1960's largely opposing the civil rights movement here in the united states. these documents, some of them we are revealing today, talk about rn charles koch's own words for the funding of the john birch society, trying to support its mission. what we have documented is what that means in context and the civil rights movement, how that organization was

he was a leader of the john birch society, controversial guy in his time.e came under scrutiny during his era. i think that caused him to become quite private. threat -- that rent sans has really carried over into his sons. >> jon: they don't really fit. at first they were with the more libertarian frame. there is a skimp with that and that move more to the republicans now. where do you see them shaking out? >> what they were really part of building the libertarian movement of the 1907s, but it got kooky. you had the dungeons & dragons nerds in there. you had all these kind of strains. and the anarchists, the disaffected sds members. what they really wanted was to legitimize libertarian ideology. now, as you referred to, there because big crack up in the libertarian movement in the 1980s. they glaf at the present time more towards republican politics, but the interesting thing is they're thought of as republican power brokers, but on a lot of key issues they don't align with republicans at all. david koch has said he's pro gay marriage. they're pro reproduc

knife pulled anybody would know i've been to so i've hung i don't see the connection with the john birch society with the michigan militia guys and you know in shooting ranges and meetings and i never saw any violence either but that doesn't mean the taking it that doesn't mean that they wouldn't kill somebody and they haven't been responsible for killing people given the. i think appropriate there most of them on the left is here is the problem i see get over your hate of guns and glass not be all that anybody the left stopped killing people when the weather underground one away i'm just don't have a left wing bias problem and it's a crime with a good sense of prison for life but don't get mad if someone for carry a gun isn't committing a crime and only use it for self defense if your thought it was a guy with occupy d.c. who was trying to climb into the white house to kill obama so i mean that there was there won't be out the ideas in person i'm. home either i mean these people are kooks like you saying these guys are not radicals that they're not part of the republican party they're not part