i like john boehner. think that he is a good american and wants the government to really do what we're supposed to be doing. is that we're helping people where people can't be helped any pertain further by their own initiatives. i personally believe he is in for a sad awakening next year. and i would like him to stand up and say let's have a clean vote on the budget. that is what we need right now. let's get on with the other issues of the debt and the other issues of where this country is going in terms of its investments. if you look at the last four months in terms of economic growth. if you look at the housing prices and where mortgages are going and where -- now we have a decline, thank god, in foreclosures. we're going in the right direction. but these republicans don't want this president to succeed. and that is where it is at. people are not dumb. they can understand this. i support the health care act, i think it is going to work. they don't want it to be successful. why not? should they have a p

that was a sad john boehner, that was a dejektsed john boehner. he had one thing to say. he's usually quite jovial with reporters. he didn't want anything to do with us. he wanted to go to bed or plot the next step. one of the more underreported stories here on the hill is these federal workers are going to be furloughed. there's no guarantee they get their pay back. you're from dc. you know how many federal workers there are in the area. there's a real worry that because of the appetite for cutting spending in this congress, you can see this shut down go on for a few days and these phones be presefolks be p the house republicans saying why should we pay you when you didn't work. but as far as where we move on from here your guess is as good as mine. apparently, that was supposed to be the magic bullet that was going to solve that. harry rooeeid is going to table later on today. they're still going to have to pass a clean cr bill. it's a question of when, not if. and we don't know. we do not know. there could be some more riders attached on the bills going back to the sen

john boehner used to be dr. jekyl and now he's mr. hyde. the john boehner that nine times avoided some kind of national tragedy by allowing democrats and republicans who are sane to get together and pass a bill, that's the same john boehner that wouldn't let lee even rename a bill last friday, saying, yes, we're doing this piecemeal thing, but we would much rather be doing a comprehensive and clean cr. he wouldn't even let me rename the bill that way. and that's the john boehner we're facing right now. i think john boehner has to go. >> so why are the democrats even entertaining negotiation at this point with mitch mcconnell, when a clean bill is sitting right there to open up the government? i mean, what could -- i mean, what could they possibly be talking about? why give anything to the republicans? you have been in business. you know what confiscatory rates are. sometimes you lose everything. sometimes you have to just do what you've got to do for the good of the order and for the good of the company. well, for the good of the country ri

what a tragic figure john boehner is becoming.f thein as the suon barkeep with 11 brothers and sisters. he wept at the time and he must be weeping now. how did this happen to me? >> the question is to go out with a blaze of glory, i am going to give up my speakership but we are going to move past this impasse and it must be attractive to him for the reasons margaret said. it is not like the job is that great. you're hanging onto a job where you are rick -- subject to ritual humiliations. >> he is saying we will not default on the debt. maybe this is his moment. >> the rollout of obamacare. >> more choices, more competition, and in many cases, lower prices. most uninsured americans will find they can get covered for $100 or less. >> and terms of news coverage, the shutdown completely overshadowed the very thing house republicans are trying to reverse, the affordable care act, obamacare. there were glitches as kathleen sebelius says, that we did not talk about that because we had this other thing, this huge elephant up here. >> fox

and she prevented john boehner from getting any leverage over the white house by showing measures that had any broad bipartisan support. so boehner was stuck without any democrats. and let me just say i want to congratulate congress for bolding agreeing to fund the government and prevent a worldwide economic catastrophe from happening. >> a necessary note. thank you. >> i'm joined in new york by richard wolf and former republican congressman from connecticut, chris shays. you were considered at times a liberal republican and then a moderate republican and i have been thinking about you all day because there are so few republicans left down there who approach these kinds of issues the way you have. what has this been like for you to watch this? >> it's sad. but there are reasons. you need veterans there. henry hyde's a conservative but he would have said it's not going to turn out the way you think and i can tell you why and give you experiences. >> henry hyde knew what the debt ceiling actually was, right? >> that's true. i'm not going to disthe 30 or so, what howard calls crazies. in

john boehner was there a moment ago. i want to get straight -- mitch mcconnell, i believe, is speaking. he is getting into his suv. let me get straight to jim acosta who is at the white house. we saw john boehner speak. who else spoke? a 90-minute meeting. what happened? >> all we've seen so far, you caught me poking down the driveway for a few moments. all we've seen so far is house speaker john boehner coming out of west wing. he gave a very brief statement saying at this point, the white house will not negotiate over this shutdown that is now into day two. obviously, house republicans would like to see some sort of concession on obama care. the president, if you listen to what john bain her to say right after this meeting, the white house is not offering that. what john boehner said, he still wants to have conferrees pointed. what does that mean? what house republican wos like to have the senate do is send members from the senate into a joint house senate conference to try to work out some sort of agreement. senate de

i give john boehner credit. i don't, fault, i fault boehner for letting this go this far. but i don't blame him for trying to keep his caucus together. it couldn't be done in the face of recalcitrant stubbornness, which put the party and cause before the country. >> what about -- i disagree with that. isn't the job of leadership to tell their party and guide them and tell them limitations of certain strategic ambition. isn't the job of leadership to say, listen, we won't be able to fund obama care through this and makes no sense to do it. confuse why boehner at the whims of the party opposed to leading it. >> i've can speak to the boehner leadership style. >> these are, these are -- >> we haven't seen people in the house since the know-nothings in 1840. boehner was dealt a bad hand. they're not interested in anything except their own ideology. and they're willing to put that in front of the country. that's exactly what they have done. i don't -- look, it would have been much better for the republicans if this never happened. much better for the country if we hadn't had thi

he said the extremists are making john boehner take hostages. they don't believe he can do it. >> there was a republican aide quoted in the national review saying boehner doesn't have the votes for a big deal or minimal size deal, small deal or any deal at all. so i don't really know what he wants to do with a conversation. you notice he doesn't use the word "compromise." while the president at his press conference talked about compromise a lot. >> right. >> that's because john boehner could not sell any sort of compromise to his 30, 40, 50 tea party extremists. >> he's not allowed to use the word. this is how captive john boehner is. he can't even use the word. i. to play you something that senator harry reid said on the floor. i think it gets to the bigger picture here, which is i think that democrats want people to be reminded. let's listen to harry reid. >> it's pretty obvious what's going on. i've known it all the time. these are very, very rich people. in america. who don't believe in government. they used obama care as a conduit to shut do

more than john boehner does. and that's why boehner turned tail.just if you do what we want you to do we will contribute money to your campaign or if you don't do, then maybe we will run some ads against you. as david is saying they are the ones with all the influence among the base. it's not really the outside groups that these congressmen are fearing. it is the rabid republican base in their districts coming up and showing up at town halls and screaming at them. >> listen, you can't count on outside groups. >> david, there used to be a center of both parties that resisted the impulses that were coming from the left edge of the party and there was also a conservative edge of the democratic party represented by senators that we no longer have. and just like the republican party used to have the different factions. this thing you describe as just a handful. >> john boehner has absolutely no leverage over this radical band of jackals within his own party. they worry about coke money. they don't want it against them. they don't care about being chairm

that was a john boehner who had one thing to say. usually jovial with reporters, likes to talk. he didn't want anything to do with us tonight. he wanted to get to bed or plot the next move about how to keep the government open. as far as that question i posed to him, alex, one of the under reported stories here on the hill is these federal workers who will be furloughed. there's no guarantee they get their pay back. you are from d.c. you know how many federal workers there are in the dmv area. i was speaking to a few of them today and there is a real worry because of the appetite of cutting spending in congress you could see it go on a few dans these folks be presented with house saying why should we pay you for days you didn't work. but where we move on from here your guess is as good as mine. the idea to move from confer rhees, that prized them. they didn't see that coming. that was supposed to be the magic bullet that was supposed to solve this. harry reid will table that later on today. the idea is they have to pass a clean gover

does john boehner bring that up? and if he does bring it up, do democrats vote for that and does it pass? >> we have got to see what the final deal looks like, but essentially we're expecting something that we can vote for that comes from the senate that is a john boehner product. and john boehner has to decide whether or not he wants to let the full house vote and try to pass it with 218 votes of the whole house or whether he wants to cling to his speakership and insist on it being 217 votes from his members, driven by tea party extremists who think -- who have literally separated themselves from reality. >> people should beware of the math here. if john boehner wants to pass something with just republican votes, he's only about 18 votes he can lose, and there's 80 people that signed the letter to defund obama care. so if nancy pelosi says i'm not giving you any democratic votes and john boehner only has to pass it with republicans, he basically has to bring it to the floor and get democrats to bail him out. >> he c

john boehner our economy and right. speaker boehner working americans are struggling to get by the shutdown is cutting into the social programs they need to survive fifty thousand mothers can't get anywhere checks leaving their babies without access to vital nutrition and that's just in north carolina arizona has cut fifty two hundred eligible families off temporary assistance for needy families the most basic government welfare program eight million veterans will not receive disability payments next month if this partial government shutdown continues into late october three hundred fifteen thousand veterans and two hundred two thousand surviving spouses independents will see pension payments stopped and speaker boehner some federally supported domestic violence shelters in rural areas of our country will have to close down as well if the shutdown continues into the colder parts of the year people who rely on federal heating programs will go to bed freezing because these programs have been closed you know because people

they have been pitying john boehner instead of this is the guy for hot. >> i don't know if john boehner is the face for messaging, they have tried to do that with with ted cruz. there a difference between boehner and pelosi, pelosi for the most time she was speaker was leading the caucus. boehner the most time as speaker has been following his caucus. he's not the decisive figure pelosi was before. all of this day to day tactical messaging wars, who is responsible for world war ii memorial or bigger boogie man or boogie woman for the american people, all of that, i think, as we get closer to the debt limit as the markets continue to decline because they become more nervous about this, all that is going to fade into the background. all these politicians in washington will have to look at themselves in the mirror and say how much damage am i willing to cause. i'm not talking 30 or 40 hard line people in the house who basically don't think default is a terrible thing or going over the debt limit is a terrible thing. leadership of the house, leadership of the senate, leadership of the white

the treasonist, john boehner.t down the government and they will not pay the bills to get their way. >> what about williams and brokaw and lawyerer think of this knucklehead. >> i've got to tell you, sean, that's what carl marx believed. >> and today's top trender, ryan's hope. >> i'm very proud of my pro life record. >> paul ryan adds the war on women into the shutdown debate. >> we need to completely rethink government's role in health care. >> there is an extreme faction in the house of representatives that just can't let this go. >> we don't want a country where abortion is simply outlawed. we want a country where it isn't even considered. >> so sean hannity goes to name calling on big eddy. sean, wherever you want to debate, you name the place, the time, you can even take the gate, because i know you like doing that kind of stuff, okay? come on. give me a chance, sean. let's see if i'm the knucklehead that you think i am. let's have a debate, handy. certainly you're punching up, in my opinion. i'm joined now

what would a gutsy john boehner do?ow back to you who are watching this craziness from some distance. the republicans' latest offer would reopen the government but only until december 15th. then would come just before christmas and the holidays another big government shutdown with all the trimmings. just to get that far, the right wing of the republican caucus is filling the president's bags with more lumps of coal. matters so small they don't deserve mention. joining me right now is congresswoman donna edwards of maryland. i want you to try and explain to the people out there who are trying to understand this, what is the republican caucus officially led by john boehner although i don't think he has his heart in it. this attempt you add on more to the load that we have to end up dumping in two days from now. making it harder and harder through all these new additions to the deal if there is one that there won't be a deal. your thoughts. what are they up to? >> i would love to be able to tell you, but what i think of th

i like john boehner, a great patriot. but negotiating with john boehner is like negotiating with kermit the frog instead of jim hensen. you need puppeteer, not the puppet. he has allowed himself to be the puppet of the party. he could go to the house and let the housework think will the way the vast majority want to do. it is this tea party fringe that has been wagging the dog, pardon my mixing may metaphors, tea party tale. and someday, john boehner will pull on his big boy pants. do you think john boehner has overplayed his hand? >> i would not talk about bill >> i would not talk about bill clinton's pants like that? honestly. i think that's a little bit of a low. a little bit of a low blow. john bainer could put a clean cr on the floor. sure. but the ultimate point is that the republicans are united on obama care. and obama care is a central policy difference between these two sides. the difference between 1995 and 2013, in 2005, we were only talking about money. this is talking about a fundamental change in the way pe

the bigger part, frankly, is there's a split between john boehner and the right wing of his conferencey time that boehner has reached out to obama, his conference has said no, we don't like it when you do that. we think you burn us when you negotiate with obama. i honestly think that this really isn't a story of democrats versus republicans at least the last two weeks. this is a story of republicans versus republicans. this started when a group of 80 house republicans said to john boehner, we want to use the threat of a government shutdown to try and roll back obama care. previously to that, john boehner said no, that was a bad strategy. so this whole thing got started because john boehner is a weak speaker of the house and couldn't control his republican conference. i hate to put things so baldly as that and not to play the game it's one side versus the other. that's at the root of this and it's a fair assessment. so the i disagree with you there. i don't think this goes back 0 obama and boehner not being able to work things out. >> okay. ben ferguson, the blame laid well and squarely

poll numbers took this hit, john boehner passes a vote with democratic votes. his standing as speaker in the house g.o.p. conference has never been stronger. the conservatives love the fact he rallied for him for the last three weeks and that gives him the political capital down the line not to where inning the country through another ordeal such as this one where $24 billion is wasted due to a shutdown often all of the things that chris was saying in the segue to your program. but i think that the democratic strategy of not negotiating over what should be a routine matter normally which is raising the debt limit and funding the government that's a strategy that paid dividends. i expect joe biden to be kept at camp david on big time negotiating weekends like he was the last few days. >> on the issue of how the right is handling republican leadership now you are right that we have seen these insurgent tea party conservative republicans who caused all of this hassle for john boehner saying we love him more now. but you have the tea party patriots and club for gro

tonight the president called john boehner and other congressional leaders to discuss the shutdown. it had been over a week since the speaker and the president had spoken. but speaker boehner went to the house floor to explain what he said happened on the phone with the president. here's what he did. >> i talked to the president earlier tonight. i'm not going to negotiate. well i would say to the president this is not about me and not about republicans here in congress. it's about fairness for the american people. >> all right. that call obviously didn't make a dent when you hear john boehner summarizing the president's stand as i'm not going to negotiate. jim acosta is at the white house. you reported on these calls at the 7:00 hour. i guess when i think about now how john boehner is describing that call, you have a relationship between these two men that is not polite and let's get things done behind the scenes. it just appears to be frankly rather nasty and that appears to be the worth possible thing to get things done. >> it's not good, erin. and if there is one thing that the wh

. >> what a speaker has to do is get the job done. ♪ >>> john boehner spent the day proving to the craziesn his party that it is impossible for anything that the crazies want to pass the house of representatives. first, boehner and the leadership offered republicans in the house the option of voting on something similar to the senate agreement with the difference being some changes to the affordable care act. it quickly became clear in their meeting that republicans did not have enough votes to pass that. then, john boehner, offered republicans the option of maybe voting for something like the senate deal, but with simply a provision that would strip congressional members and their staff and the president and his cabinet and the vice president of their employer subsidized health insurance. it became clear very quickly. that republicans did not have enough votes to pass that version of the bill, either. at this hour, harry reid and mitch mcconnell continued to work on a senate agreement. president obama is scheduled to meet with treasury secretary, jack lu tomorrow afternoon. today the rati

that's what john boehner's struggle is. nancy pelosi and chris van holland don't have to do anything, they just have to watch republicans spin and they'll face the music and don't know when and how but they will. >> there were a few republicans who supported a government shut down or the elimination of obamacare who went into cause of action this afternoon and clearly, were going to point out that those polls are not so favorable to them, but clearly they could not convince -- >> doesn't matter. >> -- the speaker of the house john boehner have a straight up and down vote on it. >> there were at least ten votes against it. these are ten conservative republican votes who thought what john boehner was putting forward wasn't tough enough. there is no way you are going to convince the far right of the republican party to come forward with anything that has obamacare in it. they still have too many problems in it. this is not resolvable outside the republican party. this is john boehner and the republican party's fight. this will

john boehner said months ago, don't mess around with the funding issue, don't attach obama care to it. that was boehner's position months ago. he had to climb down from that if he wants to keep his speakership. but in the republican party where the president has few friends, john boehner, as weak as he is is one of the only people that president obama can talk to on the republican side. >> i agree. >> who is in the room with the tea party people. >> here's the question. when is that coalition formed? when is the president and the speaker going to say down the road whatever they're talking about, when are they going to ice a deal and say we can never get a deal with ted cruz. he doesn't want a deal. he wants to destroy the president. don't you think that john boehner knows that? >> of course he does. john boehner and ted cruz come from two completely different planets in terms of their view of their responsibilities and their approach to politics and their ideology. they are farther apart than many democrats were from 10 to 15 years ago. >> do you see this thing? you don't remember the