he should do what john boehner did. do you remember when john boehner left, he gave us notice and instead of not having a speaker, we allowed him to remain speaker while we did, as an extracurricular activity, elect another speaker. it wasn't like it was in october when we came in, we had to come in every day of every week and we all had the same meeting and we couldn't do subpoenas, we couldn't do investigations, everything came to a standstill. mike johnson alone can save us from that ultimate outcome if he would step down, but announce that he's stepping down 10 weeks from now and give us time and allow us to still function as a conference and that's why marjorie put this bill in the hopper. >> that's right. >> that's why we collected co-sponsors and why we're giving him one more weekend to think about it. >> mr. massie, mr. massie. >> yesterday, and (inaudible) are you worried about doing this so close to the election, took three weeks last time and hurt republicans in november? >> no, no, we're not going to have a

john boehner worked with nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi became masterful at this.he knew the republicans couldn't pass key bills through the house, even with bigger majorities than what mike johnson -- mike johnson had a very small minority. i mean, i don't know if we have ever had as small a minority as mike johnson has right now. so, pelosi became masterful at this. he can offer the state must pass none. if johnson could muscle it through with republicans, he would be able to argue for more conservative wins, but because he can't he has to bring the bills to where he can get democrats through. if he doesn't want to keep the lights on, he could go and face the republicans. host: that idea of republicans being ok with losing the house, is that ok in the republicans you talk to? guest: not the ones i talk to, they feel majority is very important, however you do get a lot of them worrying that this chaos could cause them to lose the majority, which is why i think some of them want to get the motion to table out of the way and they want to be done with it to show that

and john boehner was a very there's no question on the smarts i've ever met was never really able ton't the president. and i'll give you a specific example. we were in osaka, japan, and for a variety of reasons we going at the last minute to the john was against that decision demilitarized zone between the dmz to north south korea on 6 hours notice and john was against that decision and was was was vehement as to and laid out various reasons why he thought this is a bad decision that the president saidohn. we're going and john left. john went to instead. you can't do that. right. that's that's when you knew it was time for john to go, because john was you member of this team, you have to there's only room for one ego in that room. and it's the to it has to be enough for you to recognize you're in the oval office having your argument on something. and if the president agrees with you, yay for you. pre■sside■nt doesn't agree with you, you're not the president. and managing that was real. and i remember specifically that we had some other folks that fell in the same category, but john w

he should do what john boehner did. do you remember when john boehner left? he gave us notice and instead of not having a speaker, we allowed him to remain speaker while we did, as an extracurricular activity, elect another speaker. we had to come in every day of every week and we all had the same meeting and we couldn't do subpoenas and investigations and everything came to a stand still. mike johnson can save us from that ultimate outcome if he wants to step down. and announce he's stepping down 10 weeks from now and allow us to function. that's why we're giving him one more weekend to think about it. reporter: are you worried about what they're doing close to an election and took three weeks last time and will it hurt republicans come november? ms. greene: we're not having a house majority. here's the other thing. this is may 1. we have to weigh in in november. we're going to win the house majority when we prove to our voters who we're voting for. that's the most important thing we can do. president trump, lots say mike johnson stays speaker. the only way

he should do what john boehner did. do you remember when john boehner left he gave us notice. instead of not having a speaker, eallowed him to remain speaker while we -- we allowed him to remain speaker while we elected another speaker. it wasn't october when we came in. we had to -- come in every day of every week and we all had the same meeting and we couldn't do subpoenas. we couldn't do investigations. everything came to a stand still. mike johnson alone can save us from that ultimate outcome if he would step down but announce that he's stepping down 10 weeks from now and give us time and allow us to still function as a conference. that's why marjorie put this bill in the hopper. that's why we have collected co-sponsors. and that's why we are giving him one more weekend to think about it. >> yesterday while he was doing this so close to the election, republicans -- [indiscernible] took three weeks last time. ms. greene: we are not going to have a house majority if we keep mike johnson. it's just not going to happen. here's the other thing. this is may 1. this is may 1. we

. >>> later, nbc's favorite son luke russert and why john boehner told him to get the heck out of washingtonokay, stop me if you've heard this one before. republicans speak the truth about donald trump, donald trump smears, attacks, and belittles them. republicans falls in line rather than faces excommunications from the party. how many times have we seen this movie? of course, we saw it over and over again during the republican primary race in 2016. marco rubio called him a con artist and now he's begging to be his running mate. ted cruz called him a pathological liar and immoral after trump attacked his wife and spread a conspiracy theory that his father was involved in the assassination of john f. kennedy. graham once called him a -- bigot. we could probably have an entire show about people speaking out against donald trump and later, not so long later, kissing the ring, and now we can add another name to the long and incredibly sad list. >> i put my priorities on a president who's going to have the backs of our allies and hold our enemies to account who would secure the border, no more e

some other names getting involved, john boehner, dan quayle, michael steele of maryland. what do you say to folks who say that this is never trump republicans by another name? guest: look, i would say maybe some of these folks are not trump. if you ask every person how they are voting in the election we are not a pack, -- pac, and not advocating in an election. we are thinking of amusement -- of a movement yonder 2024. most people are dispirited with the direction of the party and some might vote for donald trump and some might vote for joe biden and some might sit it out. i do not want to get into how everyone will vote. we are about creating a movement where we want a better republican party that can endure. the more traditional view of the party has been around through 170 years through linkedin, to roosevelt to eisenhower, nixon, ford, reagan and the bushes. they all want something better. and we do not think that these maga root are rather shallow and our roots are deep. host: is a better republican party without donald trump becoming president in january 2025? guest

i get into john boehner's office because i was running my mouth on television because how stupid thistic about why we are here. he there are guys here ■fwho will govern ando a news to be done. i have at least 40 guys who just want to burn the place down every day, then another 110 guys in between who can be pulled another direction, and they have to■f wry about their primaries. i say, i don't give a damn about their prie their primaries more important than mine? they have to go up and get out from under the table, and tha is how you deal with your primary opponent, fear. but that was my concern. these members in these very safe states kind of forgot they had a responsibility to govern. i came out of the state legislature, we had small majorities. we had to vote for things. if anybody got a pass on a bill it was someone in a really unsaeat. in a general election this said ok, you can take the past. the rest of us in the safe seats, we will man up and do what we have to do. i cannot tell you, i voted for tarp and how many people came up and said i'm really glad you voted for it. i wish

congressman hakeem jeffries, and brendan buck, former press secretary to the former house speaker john boehnerd republican vice president nominee paul ryan. michael, a political analysis concludes that trump's lawyers have a solid shot at a hung jury based on michael cohen's readability issue. political rights, quote, in the end, trump's best defense may be a simple one. cohen did the deeds and he's lying about the extent of trump's involvement. what do you expect will happen in closing arguments next week? >> i think that this is an interesting conversation, because to your point, obviously the cohen development is an issue. but that's is the larger conversation here is this is about ethics and the idea that this guy is running for president, has been president, at the very least has admitted to committing adultery and paying an individual to have sex with him. so to answer your question, my perspective here is i do think that he gets convicted, probably. i don't think that matters politically. i think the crazy maga right that supports him will always will support him. i think the real quest

john boehner just announced he was resigning after the pope had visited. i went to john and said you know, we are working on this idea of a discharge for the export import bank. ordinarily we would not do this because it is often seen as a kick in the teeth to use a speaker but under the circumstances. he said, your head is in the right place. so he was basically supportive of whatnew we were trying to advance this program that he supported pre-that is how we got it done. we basically talketo the9sde2 will do the rest and we marched downnd 42 and in like five minutespassed the bill wit0 votes. what has happened in this congress though is thereh wing s not have the votes about ukraine, over 300 votes to ukraine but this small group one to stop it. and they used her leverage to obstruct the majority. same thing with the speaker votes. steve scalise b jim jordan, but the people aligned with jordan prevented him successfully from becoming the speaker. so they used theire to try to affect outcomes that they cannot obtain through the democratic process. in the le

joining me now, brendan buck, former aide to paul ryan and john boehner and donna edwards of marylandboth are msnbc political analysts. brendan, you and i have talked many times about how the cost of the criminal trials could hurt donald trump's campaign. are we starting to see its impact now or is he finding a clever way to get around it? >> maybe both. look, the reason you hold events like this or big events is to that you're in control. you control the narrative, who's in the room. all of those things. now there is an efficiency and a cost savings certainly to jumping on board and he's hardly the first person to show up to another event. but what you end up seeing is what happened at the libertarian convention. you're not in control of that crowd. and you end up getting booed. that's the last thing you want. now, these big events are a hallmark of the trump campaign. i imagine he's going to figure out how to get back on there. i wonder if it's more than this is just a campaign that's distracted by what's going on in the courts and they're now able to hit the ground running and run

spokesperson for vice president harris and brendan buck, former press secretary to former house speaker john boehnerresident is going to speak at any minute. i want to begin our conversation by apologizing to you both when i interrupt you. symone, black voters were pivotal to president biden in 2020 they're possibly more important this time around. what are the stakes here for him? >> to say they're extremely high, joe biden's coalition was not the obama coalition, it wasn't the clinton coalition, it was a uniquely biden coalition and included base democratic voters, substantial amount of black voters, latino voters and aapi voters, young people and also a number of independents and some republican voters. joe biden, though, i see he's about to speak, cannot be successful without black voters and i think the campaign realizes that given their investment. >> all right, so that's -- is that -- that's not him live. i want to -- let's just be clear. >> oh, okay. >> he's about to speak, so, brendan, meanwhile, one of the top issues on voters' minds is immigration. a new quinnipiac poll finds immigration

in 2015, when my old boss, john boehner, invited netanyahu, and it was an aggressive speech. probably be there for conciliatory tones. he is going to be bringing his case pretty aggressively. i imagine that's only going to make democrats even more uncomfortable and more upset, which, again, is good conference politics for mike johnson, though i do wonder what it does for his relationship with democrats, who he owes his job to as this point. >> good point. >>> gop senator rick scott entered the race to succeed mitch mcconnell as republican leader. "the wall street journal" first reported it. scott says he believes now is the moment for, quote, dramatic change. he writes in part, i believe that our voters want us to use this leadership election to make a choice to upend the status quo in washington. scott joins a competitive race to replace mcconnell. john thune and john corwin are also in the running. let's get your assessment of scott's candidacy and who you might dub as the favorite right now. >> probably john thune. to me, he's trying to be a spoiler. you have john thune an

remember he famously would invite then speaker john boehner to whitehouse screen and it's been a window a couple of gut got so much schiff, never went back biden has stride to reach out. what's the strategy that might work apparently not bad. >> i mean, i think we're past that. i don't know. i don't know what it is. i mean, i think this goes back to the supreme court fights that we had in the was it late 80s or early 90s. this goes back a long way. so it's going to take a long way to get back to some sort of normalcy. i don't know. sometimes you have to hit bottom before you can go back to the top. i don't know what that means in this country. but i know one thing donald trump is not going to concede the election so what happens in january 2025 on the 20th, when an organization day rolls around and he didn't win the election, he's not just going to go away and if he wins and he's the president in january 20, 2025, he's never going to give that up because he doesn't understand the constitution, doesn't care about it. i don't think he's ever read it he just knows power and winning. and ou

of john boehner, whose at the top of the hillside, is not all it's cracked up to be, maybe you should> it is such a perspective and you talk about in your book which i relate to, because -- not as awesome as your trip, but the perspective you gathered from traveling overseas. the world is big and small at the same time. you traveled everywhere. what perspective can you give on our country and what is going on? but the one thing that i truly do believe is that america is a very special place. for all of our problems, the fact that we have this experiment that is a multicultural democracy that we are all actively trying to participate in and preserve to the best of our abilities. the fact that we go into a country, engage in warfare and try to the best of our ability to build them back up, it does not always work out okay but our heart is in the right place. it is very significant but we learn when you travel around the world that you see three things. the biggest export we have is not necessarily all of our democratic values, it is hollywood. that is the biggest thing, hollywood and sp

so when i worked for eric cantor in the house, are office and john boehner.is office were working with the white house because the president, president obama said, if you cross a red line with chemical weapons in syria, there'll be consequences and what happened was the white house then walked away from all of this and left us hanging and we've seen global implications on that. it's vladimir putin has learned this certainly hamas is learned this as well, but quite often when red lines are crossed, there are no consequences so what biden does here has internet international impact, but also very real domestic impact. ccs certainly being targeted by the far left of his base. michigan's a very good example of that. he's an a no goods situation here, no win situation. >> yes. so speaking of michigan rashida to leave appeared at the people's conference for palestine on saturday. and she had this to say, we'll talk about who makes up that conference here in just a second, but she had this to say, onstage, watch it is described that the biden administration and my c

and john boehner was a very bright man.r met was never really able to convince him that he wasn't the president. and i'll give you a we were in osaka, japan, and for a variety of reasons we up going at the last minute to the z. against that decision demilitarized zone between the dmz to north south korea on 6 hours notice decision and was was was vehement ast various ree thought this is a bad decision that the president said t john . john went to mongolia instead. you can't do that. right. and that's what that's that's when you knew it was time for john to go, because john was you know, if you're a member of this team, you have to there's only room for one ego in that room. and it's the has to be enough for you to you're in the oval office having your peace, and you'rein and if the president agrees with you, yay for you. wi you, you're not the'ag president. and managing that was real. and i rememberad some other folt fell in the same category, but john was one who jumped out at me. mygethough, i went through varis phases, t

and then 20 minutes later the tea party yanked john boehner's leash. obama. they yanked him and now he's in florida selling marijuana. >> if someone wrote this in a script, you couldn't make it up. >> that's why house of cards, "veep," "newsroom," we can't top this. then they doubled down and hitched their wagon to trump. then they went further down the rabbit hole with trump and here's where they are. >> you think it's too much? when you look at not the maga base and not the happy biden voters and the democratic coalition, but the people in the middle, the people liz cheney's trying to wake up, the people biden is trying to reach, do you think those people have had enough? >> i would like to think they have. i think they're not paying nearly as much attention as your network would like. they're living their lives. i mean, i am. i'm like -- it's like -- i'm reading this novel that's going to culminate this fall. they're engaged. not as engaged as they will be in the fall. >> they're open? >> they're open and they want better. that's the thing. they wan

brendan buck, former press secretary to john boehner and julian castro.rms of how biden tackles his problem. the first is the shakiness of trump. good news to the biden campaign i guess if you are looking at these numbers but it is hard, right? how do you reach voters who are largely disengaged from the political process and don't follow traditional news media? do you have an answer? >> well i mean, it means you have to pursue this kitchen sink outreach strategy. you can't just be traditional tv or direct mail. it has to be a lot of digital getting on social media. in so many ways, alex, this is deja vu all over again. the best thing joe biden had going for him in the 2020 hen jury 2020 general election is he was going up against donald trump. and people wanted an adult in the room. they were tired of the chaos and lies and failures of so many ways of trump especially covid. and they felt like joe biden would be a steady hand. and everything joe biden can do to reach the lower income voters and get them amped up into the campaign is going to help him. it

you saw another group emerge yesterday with 40 or 50 members including john boehner, michael steel, cohenf. peace through strength, a market-based economy. that is the haley lane. if donald trump isn't ready to reach out to it, he will lose the race to joe biden. the combination of angry populism around his victim hood as well as turning upside down all the traditional republican ideologies will cost him the election because he'll lose that lane and it will end up in a statistically significant way going to joe biden. >> when he was, entertaining to his voters, novel to his voters, he won. but 2 extremely close. in 2020 he lost. this is an election where he is running as someone who needs to be protected by his base. that's the whole message. it is about you protect me from criminal prosecution and i'll protect you, even though he hasn't pardoned any of the january 6th people. i know it's a close election. i can read the polls. i don't know that i believe them. they weren't so right before the mid-terms. what do you make of this growing public chore us of life-long republicans saying not

john boehner worked with nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi became masterful at this.new the republicans couldn't pass key bills through the house, even with bigger majorities than what mike johnson -- mike johnson had a very small minority. i mean, i don't know if we have ever had as small a minority as mike johnson has right now. so, pelosi became masterful at this. he can offer the state must pass none. if johnson could muscle it through with republicans, he would be able to argue for more conservative wins, but because he can't he has to bring the bills to where he can get democrats through. if he doesn't want to keep the lights on, he could go and face the republicans. host: that idea of republicans being ok with losing the house, is that ok in the republicans you talk to? guest: not the ones i talk to, they feel majority is very important, however you do get a lot of them worrying that this chaos could cause them to lose the majority, which is why i think some of them want to get the motion to table out of the way and they want to be done with it to show that the

some other names getting involved, john boehner, dan quayle, michael steele of maryland.hat do you say to folks who say that this is never trump republicans by another name? guest: look, i would say maybe some of these folks are not trump. if you ask every person how they are voting in the election we are not a pack, -- pac, and not advocating in an election. we are thinking of amusement -- of a movement yonder 2024. most people are dispirited with the direction of the party and some might vote for donald trump and some might vote for joe biden and some might sit it out. i do not want to get into how everyone will vote. we are about creating a movement where we want a better republican party that can endure. the more traditional view of the party has been around through 170 years through linkedin, to roosevelt to eisenhower, nixon, ford, reagan and the bushes. they all want something better. and we do not think that these maga root are rather shallow and our roots are deep. host: is a better republican party without donald trump becoming president in january 2025? guest: