dumb stuff. >> host: talking to john borling his book "taps on the wall."ou divide the book into four sections of your captivity. the early years were difficult was the isolation or something else? >> guest: isolation and the bad treatment the first four years physical pain and psychological pain was normal and we would tap on the wall as our lifeline. we wanted people to have our day with the chain of command resistive of the efforts to propaganda and time was a lifeline to communicate to to fill the angeles empty days for if they caught you they would hurt you. this is not modest it is orbiting punishment of some duration but yet we did not stop because we knew we had one task that was up most in our mind and i find it so relevant even today because it runs through the military they just want us to be proud of them. we wanted to return with honor to survive with our terms to hold our heads up. the book was buried after the war. i downloaded it. into a tape recorder and left it there then a number of people pressed me to publish and some very nice people i