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we initially want to start with a telephone call with the form cia director, john brennan, our senior national security and intelligence analyst. director brennan, i wanted to get your initial reaction, the departure of sue gordon, especially as it is paired with the departure of dni coats. >> good evening, sue gordon is exceptionally experienced intelligence professional over 30 years experience working at the cia and dan coats principle deputy, i was disappointed to hear sue would be leaving on the same day as dan coats. when you lose the dni and principal deputy dni at the same time, you're basically decapitating the intelligence community and that dni role is important given the size of the intelligence community, and a need for this orchestration to take place in an effective as well as a professional manner, and the named acting director, joe mcguire, i know him, i respect him. he was the head of -- he is the head of the national treasure center, but he certainly does not have the breadth of experience and depth of experience that sue gordon has. i think it is very discouraging

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well, joining me now, john brennan, the former cia director and msnbc senior security analyst. submit a formal letter, but that note was terse and to the point. patriotism, not preference. >> i think it reflects sue's tremendous professionalism as well as her commitment to the intelligence mission when she said it wasn't her preference to leave. particularly when dan coats is leaving. and so when you have the number two and number two departing, the head of the intelligence community, it really does, i think damage to the community as a whole. i think sue gordon was trying to signal that she wanted to stay, but clearly, mr. trump didn't want her. >> why do you think he didn't want her? >> well, i don't know. i think he wants individuals for going to show blind loyalty to him. and sue gordon is somebody who will speak truth to power. i worked closely with sue for many years. if she disagreed she'd let me know about it. when i became director of the cia, i asked sue to head up a study on cyber so the cia could be positioned to deal with all these cyber challenges we face, includi

john brennan once ran the cia, james clapper was director of national intelligence.ike comey, both men are proven liars with a weakness for conspiracy theories and yet in washington, all three of them are still considered impressive, that might be the most scary fact of all. charlie hurt is the author of the fantastic book "still winning" and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. what does this report revealed that his new? to some extent it confirms to what a lot of us long believed about jim comey that he's a partisan. what does it add to the story? >> one of the most shocking aspects that is new is to look at these similarities between the coordinated effort to thwart all of the rules of proper investigation, investigation ie conduct, how similar the crimes he committed were to the crimes he was supposedly investigating committed by hillary clinton and we all know at the end of that, he decided despite the fact she had broken all of the rules, he decided that he would file no charges. i have a hard time seeing how you can make any argument other than that he

john brennan once ran the cia. james clapper was director of national intelligence.t like comey, both men are proven liars with a weakness for conspiracy theories. all three of them are still considered impressive and that may be the scariest fact of all. opinion editor of "the washington times" an offer of the fantastic bookli still winning in joins us tonight thanks a lot for coming on. what does this report reveal that is new? to some extent it confirms a lot of us -- what does it add to the story do you think? >> timmy one of the most shocking aspects -- it's kind of new here, but is to look at the similarities between what the coordinated effort and all ofes the rules of properr investigation -- investigative conduct. on the part of james comey. how similar the crimes he committed worth to the crimes he was supposedly investigating committed by luke went in and we all know that at the end of that and he decided that despite the fact that she had broken all of the rules, that he decided that he would file no charges. and i really have a hard time seeing how you c

john brennan, thank you very much for that. >> thanks, chris. >>> probably the most pressing front of mind issue at the gp was tg7 was the fires rainfalling ging amazon. decided to kick in $20 million. squarely in the middle of all it is the fires are mostly in the sovereign nation of brazil and the country's president seems to be sort of essentially pro-fires. we call it the world's lungs, but the problem that affects the whole world is in brazil and this is just one of the ways that sovereignty, the very notion of it will be challenged in the climate crisis area. joining me now, franklin ford, staff writer for the atlanta magazine. and frank, i want to read this quote which sort of makes the comparison. if a country obtains chemical or biological weapons, the rest of the world types to react with fury, or at least it did in the not so distant past. what's the analogy you're making about the amazon fires? >> so this is an urgent problem that is not just a problem limited to brazil. that if we're indeed describing the amazon as the world's lungs, that implies the implications of the f

tweeted sue gordon was best friends with former cia director john brennan.s about the president having his allies? >> well, he clearly wasn't comfortable with director coats who came before her and it seems very clear he was not comfortable with her either. and didn't, you know, there had been this tense relationship with coats. she obviously worked very closely with him and was someone who he had advocated for taking the position. that probably didn't do her any favors. however, the president and the white house should have had in mind who they wanted their team to be. and they should have handled that and managed that in a way they could get it through. so the president decided he wanted congressman ratcliffe into this position. but the white house really did nothing to have an organized rollout and nomination for that process so when criticism began about his resume and his qualifications he was really left sort of hanging out in the wind. you know, as john was just saying, this has not been handled well. this has been a bungled rollout. we're talking abo

according to the report, comey, james klapper former cia and john brennan, former nsa director mike rogersent trump just weeks before his inauguration. after that briefing, comey met privately with the president-elect to discuss salacious allegations in this field dossier, the fraudulent document concocted by christopher steele, the top fbi and intel leave the allegations even though he had given them every reason to have absolutely no confidence whatsoever about its contents. after the private meeting between comey and the president comey took notes as seems to be his practice before reporting back to top intelligence agency officials working on the crossfire hurricane investigation. joining me now, byron york, chief political correspondent, fox business contributor and the author of much of what we know about that meeting, great to have you with us. this document is to me urgent, dense, obtrusive and it seems a document designed to compensate rather than reveal. >> that's why were here. to make more readable and understandable for everybody. you're absolutely right, it took place on gene

going to prosecute james comey and suggesting -- i'm inferring he may get off scot-free, so will john brennanand the whole corrupt mess that was the fbi and justice department leadership you you have the i.g. look into this. it's very clear he was leaking classified internal documents. the question is, do we have these laws for a reason? if they are just show we should just get rid of them. this is a prime case. the leak was done explicitly to get the appointment of an independent council which is what -- independent counsel. and that's what happened. it's designed to elicit a response. and you can't use leaked material to manipulate people which is what we have here. lou: so much corruption on the part of the deep state elites to overthrow the president of the united states. they sure as hell ought to be held accountable. peter, always great to see you. take a look at this. a french inventor making more history this weekend. becoming the first to fly across the english channel on his hoverboard. that would be about 60 miles an hour. reaching a top speed of 106 miles an hour. he told french m

she reported to the cia director john brennan and then dan coats. the president a fan of neither of them. former cia director michael hayden told jake tapper, coats is a good man. trump doesn't understand what it means to be a professional intelligence officer. when trump did not name gordon the acting dni after coats resigned two weeks ago, the writing was on the wall. >> we need somebody strong that can really rein it in. the intelligence agencies have run amuck. >> reporter: congressional leaders, including top republicans, wanted gordon to stick around. senate chairman richard burr called the departure a significant loss. saying i will miss her candor and deep knowledge. instead of gordon, the president named joseph mcguire the acting dni. he is a former navy s.e.a.l. and current corrector erdirector ol counterterrorism center. being macguire said he is not a yes man. >> i will give the truth as accurately as i can and more than willing to speak truth to power. >> reporter: it was not entirely unexpected that sue gordon would step down, it happe

elizabeth: john brennan testified two years ago he shared information with the fbi.paign associates, so, is the ig ig try to dig to t cia did? >> inspector general does not have jurisdiction over the other anxiet -- agents but he can make referrals to the district attorney, i am quite confident before this is done we'll have a clearer picture of what is going on. elizabeth: thank you congressman, great to see you. thank you so much for vagus in your home, thank you for watching, lou dobbs is next right here on the fox business network, have a good evening. lou: good evening, president trumplining up with pro-freedom demonstrators in hong kong, washing china that taking -- warning china that taking any action against millions of protesters there would jeopardize any potential trade deal with the u.s. >> no, i think it would be very hard to deal if they do violen violence. if it is another tiananmen square, it is a very hard thing to do. if i wanted to make a bad deal and settle on china, the market would go up, but that would not be the right thing to do.

in response former cia chief john brennan stood up for comey and went after the president saying jim comey is more decent, ethical, honest, competent and patriotic than you could ever hope to be. only because the attorney general and republican senators refuse to put country above party that you are not in a world of trouble and hurt. but there protective cocoon is only temporary. that would like to remind brennan that protective cocoons run both ways and many republicans on capitol hill believe james comey is only the first in a series of blows. on special report georgia congressman doug collins said people should dismiss any talk that his actions were noble. >> we need to get it out of our heads, jim comey was not acting as captain america, he wanted his own agenda. >> is comey admitted that agenda was the appointment of a special counsel. shannon: plenty of media reaction. >> some surprising most of it not. on msnbc's chris matthews show, doj officials say he was out to save the country. >> if you were to charge him and declined to charge him it is like punishing someone for speed

. >> this is from greg miller's book in which he describes a briefing that then cia director john brennan gave to mcconnell about russian interference before the 2016 election. as brennan moves through his talking points, the kentucky senator expressed no alarm about what russia might be doing in the u.s. election and instead accused the cia director of playing politics. you're trying to screw the republican candidate, mcconnell said. what could be a motive here of being the plauk blocker between us and a piece of legislation designed to help. >> well, people who have reported on this a little bit more have said that it could be a couple different things. one of the things is that he doesn't want to get involved in state issues. but as you've hinted, others have speculated or talked to people who have said that perhaps he is seeing something here that he doesn't want to give democrats the upperhand, that he sees somehow that democrats could be using this as more than an issue as we're talking about it, but could be you know using it as an issue around the country. he's thinking of it as a

in response, cia chief john brennan stood up for comey, saying he has far more decent, ethical, and patriotic than you could ever hope to be. it is only because the attorney general and republican senators refused to put country above party that you are not in a world of trouble and hurt -- their protective cocoon is all y temporary. many republicans on capitol hill believe james comey is just the first in a series of blows aimed at fbi and doj officials. special report georgia congressman said we should dismiss any talk that his actions were noble. >> he wasn't acting as captain america, he was acting as a gutter agent at the fbi. >> as he later admitted to congress, it was to prompt the appointment of a special counsel. >> shannon: plenty of media reaction. >> some surprising, most of it not. on chris matthews show, a reporter indicated a doj official indicated that james comey was out to save the country. >> if he were to charge him, it's like punishing someone for speeding to put out a fire. >> on cnn which largely defended him all day, a legal analyst stuck in this dig, watch. >> i would

being conducted by the attorney general and by john durham is focused on how james comey, how john brennan, james clapper, weaponize the powerful tools of intelligence that we can trust to these brave men and women in our intelligence community and they weaponize them against all things donald trump. whether or not the obama-biden administration, this is going to be the big question in all of this solicited intel agencies to circumvent american law to do the spying that they can't do on the trump campaign or other americans. that would be a serious crime. the bigger issue becomes why did president obama begin a counterintelligence investigation against an incoming president? he will have to answer those questions. there is no counterintelligence campaign, it is never conducted on unless it is a president's, that means the president had to have knowledge and we know from the peter strzok-lisa page texting, the white house wanted to be informed every step of the way. you might remember the email from susan rice to herself on the very day of trump's inauguration. she randomly documented a con

going to go in reverse with a lot of legal exposure on the part of jim comey and james clapper and john brennan the next few months. the third, of course, are you going to get into an optional war that doesn't turn out well, vietnam or iraq? trump has a animal cunning, he's afraid of getting into a war that would not be good on optics or ratings which is good for him and he's very good about the economy. i don't think he's going to try to do anything too radical. he seems to dodge the bullet on the scandals and that leaves the democrats to do 1 of 2 things, to say that the messenger is so atrocious that you can't be messenger. so far they have not offered a message that holds 50%. >> martha: very interesting piece. i encourage everybody to take a look at it at the fox news website. thank you for being here tonight. thank you as always, sir. >> thank you for having me. >> martha: here now, fox news contributor and former chair of the democratic national committee. donna, great to see you today. i think it's interesting to go back and look at history. victor is right. when you think about the nam

we also wait to see what roles james clapper, john brennan played in all of this paired also, andy mccarthy, as he points out in his brand-new book, there is no such thing as a counterintelligence investigation on this in the president of the united states was involved. that means at some point, these reports now come out one after the other, former president obama must be asked under oath, what did you know about your counterintelligence investigation, and when did you know it? because at some point, we will also get another report on deep state leaking, which is also a criminal offense. and thanks to the excellent investigative journalism from the 26's john solomon, we know james comey and his high-ranking cohorts are now under a microscope, not a pretty picture. all must be held accountable. we can't have a two-tier justice system, can we? you can't have one just a system for the clintons and people who work at the doj, the upper echelons of the doj and the fbi, and one for the rest of us. i can't imagine any of you at home, if you had subpoenaed emails, and you tried -- tried to delete

being conducted by the attorney general and by john durham is now focused on how james comey, how john brennan, james clapper, others, weaponized a powerful tool of intelligence that we entrust to these brave men and women in our intelligence community, and how they weaponized them against all things donald trump. now whether or not the obama-biden administration -- this is going to be the big question in all of this -- solicited foreign intel agencies, well, to circumvent american law, to do the spying that they can't do on the trump campaign and other americans. that would be a really serious crime. at the issue becomes, why did president obama begin a counterintelligence investigation against an incoming president? he will have to answer those questions. and now there no counterintelligence campaign, that doesn't happen, it's never conducted unless it is a president's, that means the president had to have knowledge, and we know from the strzok-page texting, yeah, the white house wanted to be informed every step of the way. you might also remember the odd email from susan rice to herself on

maria: in at the time john brennan was running cia. will you call him to testify? >> we will see.ave it there. from one story to another had to ask about china and hong kong. we have these pictures today. it is 10:30 p.m. in hong kong right now and the protesting is continuing. they are fighting china, wanting to bring anyone who is arrested back to the chinese mainland. what is your take on what's going on and is this leverage for president trump as he tries to do a deal with china? >> this is a moment for president trump to stand up for democracy and freedom. when the people went out on the streets in iran, obama sat on the silence and watch them get shut down and never said a word. what are the protesting about? when hong kong was turned over to china from britain, there was an agreement that the hong kong system would be left in place. this idea of extraditing people back to the mainland, china, is very threatening to hong kong's democracy. that is what they are upset about. here's the problem with china. they do not respect the rule of law. they made an agreement about hong k

john brennan. he was on msnbc. >> they are right at the epicenter of this whole thing. that. they had a big, big agenda. >> we will see. doug, it's great to have you. thank you so much for joining us. doug burns. a growing problem in san francisco now. is that fair? what city officials are saying and what residents think is the real problem. up next. we didn't know where to turn for more information. that's why i recommend a free service called a place for mom. we have local senior living advisors who can answer your questions about dementia or memory care and, if necessary, help you find the right place for your mom or dad. we all want what's best for our parents, so call today. why accept it frompt an incompyour allergy pills?e else. flonase sensimist. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief was in an accident. when i called usaa, it was that voice asking me, "is your daughter ok?" that's where i felt relief. we're the rivera family and we plan to be with usaa for life. see how much you can save wit

in recent years, she reported to president obama's cia director, john brennan, and then dan coats, the president a fan of neither of them. former cia director general michael hayden told jake tapper coats is a good man, but gordon kept the trains running on time. trump doesn't understand what it is to be a professional intelligence officer. when trump did not name gordon the acting dni after coats decided to resign two weeks ago, the writing was on the wall as the president bashed the intelligence community. >> we need somebody strong that can really rein it in. because as i think you have all learned, the intelligence agencies have run amok. they've run amok. >> reporter: congressional leader, including some top republicans wanted gordon to stick around. senate intelligence committee chairman richard burr called her departure a significant loss, saying i will miss her candor and deep knowledge. instead of gordon, the president has named joseph maguire to be the acting dni. the former vice admiral is a former navy s.e.a.l., a special forces commander and the current director of the nat

by john brennan, by james clapper, by others within the intelligence apparatus. this was so important, and this is such a linchpin right now. all you have to do is look back at some of the text messages between peter strzok and lisa page, the fbi special agent and his lover/lawyer, and how they talked about, you know, he wants to be informed. they tried to explain that away, as it wasn't present obama, but we know better than that. also, look at some of the emails that susan rice sent to herself. she sent emails to herself in january, where they left -- >> sean: she did it on inauguration day, didn't she? i would call them cy as. andy, you work for the southern district of new york, probably the most prestigious particular prosecutorial group. you were able to get a conviction in the first trade center bombing. my question to you, is there anyway we can get to the full truth without interviewing or interrogating or asking barack obama what he knew and when he knew it? >> i think, sean, that is the probably the last thing you want to do. you want to get down, get

she has reported to obama's cia director, john brennan. the president wants loyalty. t like obama's people, he doesn't like the establishment. that's why he named john ratcliffe, you'll remember, the congressman from texas to be the dni when dan coats steps down on august 15th. ratcliffe is someone who has shown she would fight for the president. that appointment crashed and burned as we saw last week. at the same time that ratcliffe was named, gordon was not named the acting director. so her stepping down now was to a large extent expected, but also feared among the intelligence community where she is so well respected, so widely adored as well as on capitol hill where she has been known for not politicizing her intelligence reports, for being a straight shooter. >> being a straight shooter, laying out straight, keeping the politics out of it, sticking with the facts. alex, thanks for that. sam, you know sue gordon, what are your thoughts on this? >> i remember being in situation room meetings with sue gordon. she was always known for doing what experienced intelligen

>> absolutely you did and it came through the cia director john brennan and the gni james clapper.all of this was quite devious on the part of comay's fbi and the barack obama administration, including the department of justice. i think you can see nellie ohre receiving an indictment in her not once, but twice to congress on her testimony and there is already a criminal referral against her. >> sean: i like to see what happens to james comey at the end of all of this based on everything that you said andha yet, he knew the whole time and he lied in october and lied in january and then he signed a three pfizer warrants altogether. now, i understand their argument, probably legally maybe on the first warrant, they trusted christopher steele because he was a good source in the past but then they fired him. before the renewal warrant. so i'm not buying. they had an obligation to verify it. you never did. >> they must run to the fisa court and notify the judges signed off on it that circumstances have changed and we have fired the source upon whom we were relying and by the way, fisa ju

. >> martha: is at john brennan, is it james clapper? >> attorney general barr has that information, they are serious i overstepped lines. >> martha: i'm asking questions because that's my job, and you can answer them do whatever you feel is comfortable. when you said you realized last summer that it was peter strzok who had contacted you, contacted about having discussions about maria butina, do something make you uncomfortable that they ask you to do? >> it didn't work that way. i will write up an explanation and people can read it so it's clear. what was making me uncomfortable is two things. i originally said misses two-thirds an opportunity and she is very well connected in russia, let me introduce her to some people in our foreign policy think tank establishment and with that be okay? one-third -- she wanted to talk about erasmus and the greeks, she's a real intellectual. but i had this concern about the risk there was some mischief afoot. as those first six months wore on, that a risk profile shifted and she stopped talking so muc

crazy bizarre tweet where he said that, you know, the rumors about her being besties with brennan, john brennant of the clown cadre must be 100% true because adam schiff recommended her for the post of acting director of national intelligence. i mean, that is just crazy. they're sort of paranoid, conspiratorial and sure everybody else is conspiratorial, too, whereas adam schiff, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, was just delivering the universal judgment of intelligence professionals in washington, which was that sue gordon was the right person for the post. >> i'm glad that you quoted donny trump, jr., who has dedicated his life to studying intelligence matters in u.s. foreign policy. so the president's pick for acting dni, admiral joseph mcguire, he is a strong military and counterterrorism background. he's certainly more qualified than congressman john ratcliffe who the president wanted in that post permanently. >> right. i mean, when i think about this appointment, i'm reminded of a version of church hill's clip about america. in the case of trump i would say that he sometim

in recent years, she reported to president obama's cia director, john brennan and then dan coats, thent a fan of neither of them. former cia director general michael hayden told jake tapper, coats is a good man but gordon kept the trains running on time. trump doesn't understand what it is to be a professional intelligence officer. when trump did not name gordon the acting dni after coats decided to resign two weeks ago, the writing was on the wall. as the president bashed the intelligence community. >> we need somebody strong that can really reign it in because as you learned, the intelligence agencies have run amok. they've run amok. >> reporter: congressional leaders and top republicans wanted gordon to stick around. senate intelligence committee chairman richard burr called her departure a significant loss, saying, i will miss her candor and deep knowledge. instead of gordon, the president has named joseph mcguire to be the acting dni. the retired vice admiral is a former navy s.e.a.l., a special forces commander and the current director of the national counter-terrorism center. b

trump over these last two years, as everybody was in this collusion dilution for two years, while john brennan was on msnbc saying that the president was treasonist. no wonder the chinese walked away and said do you know what we're going to renig. i'm not going to put into law it's unlawful to steal intellectual property. we're going to be done with this guy in about a year. that's because of the media's coverage and we'll talk with carter page coming up in a little will and he of course is at the center of all of this i've got to ask you your case because carter page is a former trump foreign policy advisor an expert on these issues and of course a government informant which he will explain to us and the government actually turned against him. your thoughts on what we learned this weekend that in fact andrew mccabe, who was the deputy director at the fbi, he is currently under investigation by william barr, and he's been referred for criminal charges by the inspector general. he just got a job as a comentator on to have on another channel. >> it hasn't slowed down cnn. this is a person, mr. m

he was concerned she might have ties to john brennan, a long time, well respected, highly regarded intelligencefficer. the concern here really is that she's being forced out after this long and storied career to open the way for the president to basically put someone in that job and circumvent congress to do so. keep in mind, why would the white house care about something like this if they planned on nominating a new dni in a couple of weeks, the kind of time frame we expect. we heard trump say he likes acting, prefers acting, he thinks it gives him flexibility. what he is saying is it is a work around to the constitution. >> phil, let me get reaction. this departure leaves a big vacancy at the head of the u.s. intelligence community and the president's critics have said the reason why this is happening is he wants somebody that's political, somebody that will be loyal to him at the top of the intelligence community. >> i think that's only part of the story. let me read between the lines, having heard this for 90 seconds, give you an interpretation. i think susan is right. you have a standard p

former cia director john brennan tweeting this at the president.thics, competent, patriotic than you could ever hope to be. former director of national intelligence james clapper said comey did a service to the country. >> i do not think there is a rulebook for this extraordinary situation involving a potential criminality of a president. and so jim did what he did tell my thought was the right thing to do for the country. one man's leaker is another man's whistle-blower. >> trace: only spells more trouble, the ranking member of the house into the committee. before i get to your point and we will make that, you heard from clapper, you heard from brennan and heard from the political types, i was astounded after the comey memo gate came out about the media and how they came to comey's defense saying he was fighting the good fight. i want to play the sound bite from msnbc and get a response from it. >> the remarkable thing about this report is that the inspector general of the justice department has effectively taken the position that if you are a law

he moved to revoke the security clearance from one of his leading critics, former cia director john brennand he has called for action against companies like google, twitter, facebook which he accused of bias against conservatives. i'm joined by anita kumar, editor for politico. howard, this is sort of lbj, nixon, traces of sitting in the oval office, how can i screw this guy. it's mob stuff. your thoughts? >> yes. well, in the old days, those advisers in the oval office, whether it was lbj or nixon or whoever would say, mr. president, let's be careful here, or if we're going to do it we have this cutout over here who can handle it. we'll do it subterranean. we'll do it with three cushioned bank shots. that's not donald trump. donald trump thrives on, lives on, exists on this kind of attack politics. >> yeah. >> that's who he always was. that's who he was in business in new york. when i interviewed him on the 26th floor of the trump tower during the campaign, he was fascinated by nixon. we talked a lot about nixon. and he wasn't interested in nixon the architect of the peace with china. >> l