we're back with john brennen.hy i wanted to talk to you about this because what chairman schiff was just decrying there, attacks on colonel vindman, the efforts to portray him as a traitor, echoes some of the ways the president has come after you because of your role at the center intelligence agency at the time of the 2016 election. i want to know if it sort reactivates everything for you or what your reaction is. >> first of all, i think everybody should be quite proud of someone like colonel vindman. frequently it is those citizens who are citizens not by birth but by choice that really understand the responsibilities of citizenship. it's not just the rights and privileges that go along with it, it's the responsibilities. and unfortunately i think we have somebody in the white house right now who fears people who are willing to speak out about what is wrong and be able to expose the i think corruption that is going on right now. so i have for the last three years spoken out because i believe that mr. trump is u

john brennen, you're passion and patriotism match up. thank you. >>> coming up, a new line of defense from trump's supporters apuce of power is not a crime. listen to that one. it dogged down nixon, it was one of his articles. and republicans have a new strategy, disrupt the hearings. this does remind me of the brooks brothers protest in 2000 down in florida or a panty raid. they are the dullest looking people. anyway, let's look at this. >> speaker pelosi has tyrannically commandeered the house of representatives. adam schiff has to stop, nancy pelosi has to stop. this process has to stop and it's got to stop now. >> anyway, trump has a message from republicans who don't support him. he calls them human scum. isn't that nice, to your fellow party member. plus trump's mission accomplished moment in syria. he thinks betraying our allies and getting out of dodge is, quote, big success. tell that to the kurds. we've got much more to get to tonight. stick with us. got much more to tonight. stick with us. about 50% of people with severe asthm

and he's asked to interview some senior people like john brennen, but so far he's not interviewed some of those key decision makers. but the whole thing has drawn a lot of questions from people who say, look, they've given donald trump a talking point. he can now say the investigation is under investigation. but what's really at the center of this, we do not know. >> john durham's krenlt, where does it stand? >> everyone i've talked to in the legal community and intelligence world, he's viewed as a straight shooter and that does give them a little bit of a political top cover. people who would ordinarily say the fix is on this one would be be hesitant to say that because of his reputation. but people are starting to wonder what exactly he's up to, katy. >> who is he and why is jim jordan so upset about this happening on a saturday? >> he's a top state department official, knows a bit about ukraine. the dueling channels here between traditional diplomacy and the side channel diplomacy between rudy giuliani and ukraine and the president of the united states, so he brings more expertise t

two former cia directors leon pinetta and john brennen join me to talk about the latest on the impeachment inquiry. i'm back. it's great to be back. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >>> tonight on "all in." >> there's no quid pro quo. there is no pro quo. there is no quid pro quo. >> explosive testimony from the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine. completely undercutting the primary defense of team trump. >> there was no quid pro quo. >> there was no quid pro quo. >> no quid pro quo. >> there was a quid pro quo, and tonight we have new details about exactly how much the president was squeezing ukraine in return for an investigation into his political rival. >> it's not even noon, right, and this is my most disturbing day in congress so far. >> what we learned today and what it means for the case against donald trump. >> if you could show me that, you know, trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing. >> then the infuriating coda to the most ridiculous story of 2016. >> the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your

to testify to his committee that might be involved in this allegation against hunter biden or john brennene. and so far lindsey graham has refused to do that. but to the point of lindsey graham's reputation it's interesting to see him go to this length to try to cover for donald trump and still piss off people who were close to donald trump. >> and eugene robinson, my explanation for lindsey graham is there's nothing won't dee to get re-elected in south carolina. what he cares about is what do south carolina republican voters think ubwhat he's doing to protect donald trump. and if it looks good to them, that'll work for lindsey graham. >> that certainly is his prime objective is to assure his re-election. i mean, it's been clear over the years he just wants to get re-elected in perpetuity. i don't think there's any point to not getting re-elected. so he's going to do what he has to do, and what he has to do in the context of the republican party is at least for now stick close to donald trump. so that's what he does. but sam is right, this ineffectual resolution that has no impact whatsoev

two former cia directors leon pinetta and john brennen join me to talk about the latest on the impeachmenti'm back. it's great to be back. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >>> tonight on "all in." >> there's no quid pro quo. there is no pro quo. there is no quid pro quo. >> explosive testimony from the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine. completely undercutting the primary defense of team trump. >> there was no quid pro quo. >> there was no quid pro quo. >> no quid pro quo. >> there was a quid pro quo, and tonight we have new details about exactly how much the president was squeezing ukraine in return for an investigation into his political rival. >> it's not even noon, right, and this is my most disturbing day in congress so far. >> what we learned today and what it means for the case against donald trump. >> if you could

although he says he wants to talk to former cia director john brennen, he hasn't interviewed comey, andrewclear where he's going with this but a lot of people are very rattled. those cia analysts i mentioned had to hire their own lawyers because no one is sure if this a criminal investigation or not. and if it is a criminal investigation, what is the allegation of wrongdoing? no one i talked to can answer that, guys. >> people are vouching for durham, but people were vouching for barr as well, a guy i personally believe will be remembered as perhaps the most attorney general in the history of the united states of america. so all these assurances mean nothing especially when he's going around and not only going around the world apparently chasing conspiracy theories, whether it's off of the internet or whether it's from papadopoulos' mind, but he's also trying to get documents from the cia. he's trying to get intel documents that the cia should not give up for a thousand different reasons. you have the president of the united states pressuring the attorney general who's now pressuring an in