. >> both speaker below sea it and john brynner are -- speaker policy and john brynner are saying thehn joehner are saying the pentagon should not be impacted. why is that off the table? >> we should admit -- adequately fund the troops while they're at war. there are significant constraints imposed under secretary dick -- secretary gates's leadership. last year we proposed canceling fighter jets. i say most people in the room at the time thought that was completely unrealistic and would never happen. this year secretary gates had made it clear he does not take -- think programs like that are militarily necessary and we could do a better job by canceling those programs. we are going to be pursuing those while making sure our troops in the field are adequately funded. >> this -- does the decision we are not going to the moon not send the message we are giving up? >> not at all. the consolation program, which is over budget and behind schedule, was intended to do what we have already done, which is to return a man or woman to the moon. we believe in the future of space flight. if we beli