but there is much more to join binds in educated john bunce. he will say he can't separate racism and sport from racism wider society. but if that's the case, then i will look in the wrong direction or try to eliminate it and spoke when we should be trying to eliminate that through society. absolutely, absolutely the wrong way and not just in sport from an elite point of view you have to look at. and of course, i said the intersection book in terms of sexism, homophobia, all kinds of discrimination. you have to look to, to get rid of it. um at the bottom and they'll go up to the top rather need all the way around cuz the hundreds of years, we believe that getting more elite black people, women, gay people to positions will then change everything down below. but it won't. we have to change the perception of the average black person, the average gay person, the average woman, and then you'll have many more of them making it up to the top by their own volition rather than thinking we can pull them up. if more people get up to the top, so understan