joining us tonight, famed attorney out of the san francisco jurisdiction, john burris. us, anne bremner, high-profile lawyer out of seattle. and it seems to me that they did not give the story, they were not forthcoming before now because it did not benefit them until now. >> that appears to be the case. and they should have come forward with the information. i keep thinking of that line from benjamin franklin -- >> oh, no. not another quote. >> no, i haven't done it in a long time, nancy. but three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead. and i look at this and i'm thinking, why is this all coming out now? what is all this new information? and frankly, if there's circumstantial evidence out there, what we're really hearing is just a lot of talking amongst all of these folks, all within the family. >> also with us tonight, the attorney for ronald cummings, haleigh's father, terry shoemaker, from st. augustine, florida. also with us, a very special guest, shawn sirgo, attorney for joe overstreet, now implicated, not a formal person of interest, not a suspect, on