behind me is john calhoun. who is the many people would say the philosophical father of the success movement. the most prominent spokesman for southern political sentiment in the 1850s. the symbolism of this building really begins with the laying of the corner stone. if you were building a state house what would you put under the corner stone? the constitution? the bible? . newspapers of the day. that didn't happen in south carolina in 1850. the only thing put under the corner stone of this building was john calhoun's last speech in the u.s. senate. in 1850. recommending succession from the union. on the front of this building, there are two portraits. and only two. of robert and george mcduffy. who were senators from south carolina who in the 1830s advocated nullification of federal laws. by the states. they were the philosophical founders and promoters of the states rights movement. which led to succession. under the portraits there are war like eagles surrounded by 15 stars representing the 15 potential stat

behind me is john c. calhoun, many would say the philosophical father of the movement, the most prominent spokesperson for southern political persona in the 1850s. the symbolism of this building really begins with the laying of the cornerstone. if you were building a state house, what would you put on the cornerstone, the constitution, the bible, newspapers of the day? that didn't happen in south carolina in 1850. the only thing put under the cornerstone in this building was john c. calhoun's last speech in the u.s. senate in 1850 recommendi recommending secession. notification by the states. they were the philosophical founders and promotors of the states rights movement, which ultimately led to secession. under their portraits there are warlike eagles surrounded by 15 stars representing the 15 potential states of the confederacy. none of that of course came to pass. the people who planned this building in the 1850s were very, very ambitious. they intended a building that rivall rivaled or bettered the u.s. capi

john c. calhoun. you know what john c. calhoun's nickname was? they called him john c. kill a coon.y called him. after president roosevelt met with booker t. washington, he said "the action of president roosevelt in entertaining that nigger will necessitate a our killing a thousand niggers in the south before they learn again." this is something revered with a statue who simply says he was a governor. he was a senator. he created our state constitution in south carolina there is no truth to that. and so for someone who is a little brown boy in south carolina, i mean, i mean people have to understand that oppression. and you were right how geographical that, jeffrey. >> brian stevenson is a civil rights leader in montgomery, alabama. many people know the equal justice initiative. he is building in montgomery a memorial to the victims of lynching there are no -- there is no memorial to the victims of lynching in the united states. montgomery has dozens of memorials to the confederacy. that may be one answer. that you don't take the other memorials, but you add other memorials. >> in s

emocracy in this whole alt-right movement can be sourced to john calhoun in 1820, and it was a spouse by -- espoused by james buchanan late in the 20th century and picked up by the code others. they have sped this -- koch brothers. they have spread this throughout the official department, and to going to takeis an incredible quads i civil war. they have entrenched themselves so thoroughly in brainwashing this whole united date, but if you want documentation, read the book. "democracy in chains." rita, illinois, republican line. you're next. good morning. i wanted to comment that this is just another obama and linton era hand reaching out to cause the problems that he has so many times before he left office. wars witho start everything from race to nations, and this is just another set of where the media, he gave them permission to take away more freedom of beach and truth lost to the media, because all they have become now is wrapping and the and lies. you thatwhat convinced these events could be directly related to president obama? caller: ever since obama has made this black era spe

a series of agreements hammered out between henry clay and john calhoun collectively known as the missouri compromise settled the issue for the time being. monroe signed off on the compromise with relief and expressed optimism that the slavery question would be resolved before it tore the union apart. jefferson was less sanguine calling it a fire ball in the night that did not bode well for the union's future. much as he believed separation was the solution to problems between independe indians and whites, he saw merits to send free blacks back to africa. although not as active in the movement as others including his friend charles mercer, he was present for the founding meeting of the meeting on december 21st, 1816. four years later, the ship elizabeth took the first group of african americans to the colony that would eventually be named liberia, the capital of which, monrovia, is named for, you know who. while the end of the war of 1812 and the final defeat of napoleon had largely resolved the free trade and impressment conflicts with britain, acquisition of florida had still not occurre

here at home in south carolina, john c. calhoun was a united states senator, famously a part of the nation of 'proceedings and bigotry in this country. the voters of south carolina to evolve to the place where they elect someone like myself to be in the same seat of john c. calhoun says what is possible in america and started in south carolina. i think we are on the right path overall. >> dickerson: all right, senator scott, we're out of time. we're so grateful for you being with us. >> yes, sir, thank you. dickerson: joined now by virginia democratic senator tim kaine he's in richmond. senator, you were also governor of virginia and mayor of richmond, majority african american city that was also the capital of the confederacy. from those perspectives how do you see this debate now over removing confederate monuments? >> well, john, first, i wouldn't even be a guest on the show this week fit were just about monuments. the reason that we're doing this today is because i went to three funerals this week. i'm not here because of statu

about the neo-nazi rallies and taking down statues in this ridiculousness, i went back and read john c calhoun's address on the senate floor in 1850, he specifically said that if the north continued with this agitating issue about slavery, the southern states would have no other choice but to secede from the union. there were two reasons. slavery was one. the other reason was that he thought the southern states were losing their sovereign authority compared to the northern states. host: sorry about that, tony. apologies for that. professor spence, go ahead. guest: what he is basically arguing his right. -- is right. there is a whole history. it is not like you have to go that far to show that the confederacy was a white supremacist project about maintaining slavery. the idea that we would have public monuments, streets, schools, holdings named -- buildings named after people that supported white supremacy and then who supported treason, that doesn't -- once you say that out loud, it doesn't make a lot of common sense. i am glad there is a political project afoot that is dedicated to removing tha

. -- john calhoun. daniel webster and other folks are arguing both sides of it. abraham lincoln uses a risk from the farewell address as part of his core 1860 stop speech justifying the newly formed republican party against attacks. it is not a regional party. it is a national party, and a party of progress, which i think is sometimes lost. during the civil war, the confederates tried to claim washington as one of their own, too. they say washington was a southerner and a plantation owner and a slave owner and a rebel, ergo one of us, when of course, washington's entire political life after the revolution was focusing on national unity. there was a debate in the run-up to the civil war on whether the farewell address should be bought. john david claypool finally kicked the can and his executors put it up for sale, and jefferson davis in the future president of the confederacy, then mississippi senator, says this is a waste of federal dollars. of course, what he is trying to do is denigrate the message of the farewell. one of the reasons it is in the new york publ

the seed bed of secessionist now we soacialt the theory of secession in fullest depiction with john c. calhoun and he certainly was the -- leader and i think inspiration for many other o southern fire eaters who saw secession as only logical way to preserve what they were increasingly coming to call their country. and what you had here by the eve of the civil war in terms of how the confederate states of america viewed itself were two nation states in the 19th century. who each had a reason to exist and that is a way to understand the the buildup to secession the drum beat for secession by these men who were prepared for it when it did come and were able to get that large section of the southern population that we call today conditional unionist only in the union is their way of life could be preserved that meant preserving slavery. they convince them that this was the way to go. at what point did senator calhoun and senator jefferson davis leave washington to return to their southern roots? >> well, calhoun left washington via his early death. he died not long after the great debate he partic

calhoun's, john c calhoun, secretary of war and heard of nothing but the missouri question and olympian king's speeches, rufus king, representative from new york and anti-slavery tribune. the slave holders cannot hear of them without being seized with cramps. they call them is hedicious when their greatest defect is their timidity. never since human conducts were influenced by human speech was there a theme for eloquence like the free side of this question now before the congress of this union. by what fatality does it happen all the most eloquent orators are on the slavish side? there is plain sense on the side of freedom and humanity. but the passions are on the side of oppression. if but one man could arrive with a heart capable of supporting an utter rans capable of xukting the eternal truths to lay bare the outrage of god. now is the time and this is the occasion upon which such a man won perform the duties of an angel upon earth. and then nine days later, this is a question between the rights of human nature and the constitution of the united states. probably bloating suffer by th

lee, to have a statue of someone like john c. calhoun, whose nickname was john c. kill a coon.ck man, let me tell you that, is very painful. >> don't talk about -- >> i'm not. but this conversation has to be uncomfortable, the reason it's painful -- >> i'm comfortable having these conversations. let me say, you have to be able to separate some things. there's no question about it. i understand you can be empathetic to understand where you're coming from and where we're coming from. some of these monuments in virginia, for example -- millions of virginiainform s don't support this because some of these are their families, sacred monuments to war dead. those are big issues. history is very layered. let me paraphrase the black mayor of richmond, a great man who said a couple of months ago -- this has since changed because of politics but a couple of months ago he said keep the statues, but teach the context. create more statues to teach the history and context. that is extremely important. our history is not perfect. it's imperfect. we have the ability to move toward a more perfec

calhoun lofts. former vice presidident john c. calhoun was of the m most prominent pro-slavery figures in u.s. history. meanwhile, in baltimore, maryland, activists took a sledge hammer to a 44-foot-tall monument of christopher cocolumbus, destroying part the statueue and then atattaching an to its base reading, "the future is racial and economicic justic" this is one baltimore resident, explaining why the statue was targeted in a video posted online of the action. oldeste walking to the monument of christopher columbus in north america. he signals the invasion of european capitalism into the western hemisphere. he initiated a wave of terrorism, murder, rape, slavery, ecologigical degradatin and capitalist exploititation of labor in the americas. the colombian wave of destruction continues on the backs of indigenous afrfrican american and brown people. racist monuments have always bothered me. amy: as many as 50 graduates of liberty university in lynchburg, virginia, are e planning to retn their diplomas in protest, after the university's president defended president trump's refusal to quickly

a series of agreements hammered out between henry clay and john c. calhoun in 1820 and 1821 collectively known as the missouri compromise, settle the issue for the time being. monroe signed off on the compromise with relief and expressed optimism that the slavery question would be resolved before it tore the union apart. his old mentor less sanguine calling the missouri compromise a fireball in the night, but did not bode well for the indians future. much as he believes separation was the solution, the problems between the indians and whites, monroe saw merit in efforts to send free blacks back to africa. although not as active within the movement as others including his friend charles fenton mercer, monroe was present for the founding meeting of the merp colonization society in washington, d.c. on december it 21, 1816. four years later the ship, "elizabeth" took the first group of african-americans to the colony which would eventually be named liberia, the capital of which monrovia is named for, you know who. by 1812 and final defeat of napolian acquisition

he wasn't talking this talk you hear now of practically john c. calhounratic side really started before the election with the civil rights act of 1964. what lyndon johnson did was say, "that's the first flag we're planting. there are a lot of more flags coming. and we are going to be the party that will end, end discrimination, whether it's in the voting booth, in public accommodations, in the workplace, in housing. and we're going to be the party that uses government to help the most vulnerable people in our society, and tries to use it to give them a hand up, not just a hand-out." >> four great bills in civil rights, 60 bills in education, medicare and medicaid... arts and the humanities, public broadcasting. so much was done. >> d. goodwin: he one time said, "some people want power just to march around to 'hail to the chief' and strut through the stage -- i want to do things." and so he used the power that he gained in that mandate as fully as he could. and had it not been for the war in vietnam, he would be still remembered as one of the most extraord

lee or john c. calhoun, who by the way was jong c. kill a coon.-- as a black man, let me tell you--don't talk -- >> i'm not. the reason it's painful and this conversation has to be uncomfortable is because. >> i'm comfortable having these conversations. let me say -- >> you have to be able to separate some things. >> there's no question about it. look, i understand you can be em pa thit thet ic to understand where you're coming from. the some of these monuments in h virginia for example and there are million the who don't support this because some of family, some are sacred monuments to war dead. those are big -- let me paraphrase the black mayor of richmond who said a couple of months ago. the he said because of politics, but he said keep the statues but teach the context. create more statues to teach history and the context. that is extremely important important. our history is imperfect but we have the ability to move towards a more perfect union and most countries don't have that. >> we're going to take a quick break and continue this conversa

in charleston, what i hope we're going to do, is we're going to put up signage and explain who john c. calhounfor example. that's the big issue in charleston. calhoun was vice president of the united states, he was secretary of war, he's a major figure in american history. but on the other hand, he was one of the big promoters of slavery. he called slavery a positive good. he did a lot of bad things. so we need some balance. we need to tell that story. in charleston we've also erected monuments to african-american heroes. so to us, the way we're feeling is let's tell both stories, let's tell everyone's story, and let's not erase history, but let's balance history and let's tell all versions of it. that's where we're headed, i hope. elizabeth: all right. robert rosen, thank you so much for joining us with perspective from things you've learned in the past. a conversation that is happening in cities across the united states, so we appreciate it, sir. >> thank you. elizabeth: and stay with us. we are still covering the rival protests many boston. this is boston common now. there are thousands of