i think the inevitable result will be that over the stens you objection of the aclu and john camny, thisntry some day will get a national electronic identity card. >> oh, boy. that's all we need. >> scary but not as scary as terrorism. >> what do you think about that, an id card for everybody? >> i guarantee they will find a way to hack it. nothing is perfectly secure. in terms of fighting isis, you don't have to put guards everywhere in the world or everywhere in the country, you do more intelligence gathering as we used to do before the new york police department had the handcuffs put on them. you have informers find up what they're up to and very importantly go on offense overseas so you take away the inevitability that isis believes the world's history is going in their favor. >> we'll talk about that overseas, but, john, it's the intel part that bothers you, right? >> i think steve hit on something very important about the national id card. if you institute that, those who mean us harm will work their way around it. i think that's what we're up against. if you secure the airports, i