. >> john carmack wrote something -- saw palmer's gadget or heard about it and said -- >> sent a copy. >> right, he said sounds like it's pretty good and palmer put the whole thing, the only version of duck tape master piece in a box an sent it in a mail to john because he was amazed that the god of gaming was blessing with, you know, being interested in this thing. >> john carmack was responsible for games like doom, revolutionized the video world because was 3 dimensional experience and takes the head set he had been going to for years and years and showed a few people this and word got out very quickly, i wasn't able to see it that year but the next year when i went back there was aa little company that formed around the idea of the oculus and that's when i saw it. >> how many people wereun oculus when you got the demo - it? >> when i was there it was just me and at the time the ceo, but in the company there were probably 15 people maybe fewer. >> that's amazing. >> yeah. the first five or six of people, one has tragically passed away sinc then. >> enright. >> but yeah, first five