i sat down with the leading player, john carrington.s there a business case for energy storage? a customer standpoint, you save on your demand charges. you can do energy efficiency yous with the lighting and lower the amount of energy used, but you will still reach a new peak each month. that is what we go after, the highest interval the utility charges the customer. we shave that completely off. when you look at the utility, we have 85% state of charge in our fleet, enabling us to participate with the utilities and stabilizing the grid. know which building to pull from to enable the grid to be more stable. emily: your business model works where prices are high, but what about places where prices are low? john: that 15 minute peak is what you want to think about. some are very -- are fairly low but if -- if there is value to , clients could save 20% to 30%. it is a big component that they can control. we are doing it all automatically behind the scenes. the only way you could do that without energy storage is to change your operations.