john clone loan great to be leer, thank you. ix:what do you make of this rally that seems dispassionate, that we have to keep making these record highs? john: you mentioned it before, when the fed pushes money for the economy, that money encroaches the capital markets. unless the earnings are awful or the valuations are extremely high, it tends to levitate docs -- stocks. and i think that is what is at work right now. alix: how do we find a value? the datapoint is not great, the economy is not great. john: i'm not sure you can find a lot of value. you can go to europe. they merging markets i think represent pretty good value. if you're looking in the united states, you not buying for value, you are buying for growth. it may be the first and second quarter, the worst quarters with seen for the s&p 500, and they get a sense of the earnings are about as bad as they're going to be pure and they tend to look down the road a little bit. i saw that happen a few times in my career. and maybe happening now. alix: s&p is now on track to de