i mean, if you listen to a love supreme by john coulter there's no similarity in something like gucci mane and the burr print, too. [applause] >> so -- am a john coltrane fan. >> me too. >> i am. so i want to go back my question which i want you to answer directly. what would be good hip hop? >> i could -- we could spend the rest of the panel listing good hip hop. >> what would be good hip hop since you're saying it's -- >> good hip hop music is like reasonable doubt by jay-z. it's ready to die by biggie schmaltz. now, is the content and the message that's involved in some of that great music poison, yeah, it is. if you try to live your life the way jay-z instructs >> good afternoon. good afternoon. we're going to >> midafternoon we began our panel with ingrid betancourt "even silence has an end" her bs of captivity in the colombian junk l. .. when she was attempting to go to an area of the country that was controlled by the guerrilla forces, the farc, she was apprehended. the book is a memoir of that experience mid it is a delight to have a conversation about you with it. could you s