john d. rockefeller. he made the point of the long history of the exxon doing the right thing. you don't invoke him easily, because people think of it as an antitrust nightmare that was a very big statement >> i do. i think that's a message they'll send more often. they have to be part of this solution, right? as does the entire industry, and this transition, as you well know, is one that may intensify in terms of how quickly it's taking place, but it's heart to say. will people be willing to pay more will people in developing countries be willing to sacrifice in some way that's already taken place for decades and decades? these are difficult questions to answer, but they will be key to making the transition happen. >> you made a comment earlier, where are you right now versus the traditional two plants on either side of darren woods -- i don't mean to be facetious about this darren woods is basically saying, listen, i am out of the office, i am here developing it. this is a guy who i think is trying to say, listen, board, to his own board, i am with you i recognize what's chan