john d. rockefeller. the only time she saw them in person. they worked in cleveland for her and did a lot of her investigation for her cleve bryan had heard that john d. rockefeller who is a proud and long member with his wife and family at the euclid avenue back to his church was going to be giving a lesson on sunday, october 11 in the military. he told ida tarbell that this is going to happen and she wanted to come to cleveland. and so on october 10, she went up on the train to cleveland and they settled into the church and sat down and they had a lot of other bigger men around them because they want to be very surreptitious about this. john d. rockefeller caught up and began to give the lesson. they sat through the lesson. she didn't remember much of what he said, but she remembered most the power he ever needed. he was an older man at the time. she thought he was not going in. she described him as reptilian and his appearance. with them was a man and in the church balian, who was an illustrator for mcclure magazine. the future of this whil

john d. rockefeller gave the lesson at the baptist church. after word, as the service continued, he took his seat. and they went up into the gallery and watched and observed rockefeller as he was worshiping she always felt a little reluctant that she had gone and spied upon him in an act of worship. on the other hand, i think she felt the need to see her nemesis and she saw him. and she kept a very, i guess, clear notation. here we have her reminiscences in that moment. what i love the most is this little chart, the euclid avenue baptist church. she is sitting where other people were sitting. over here of serving, and he was at the podium appear in the front. i believe that that was john sitting next to her on the night. you can see, sitting back in the middle of the group. that is her kind of drawing of where they were and what they were doing at the euclid avenue baptist rally on somewhere to over 11, 1903. the only time she ever saw him directly. she never encountered in face-to-face. he wanted nothing to do with her. he called her this ter

john d. rockefeller, the founder of standard oil. she currently serves as the founding chair of rockefeller felon throepy advisors as well as the family fund. she's written a memoir. it is an explo ration of identity and a look inside of one of the most important american families in all of our histories. it's called "being a rockefeller becoming myself." i'm pleased to have eileen rockefeller at this table for the first time. welcome. >> rose: thank you, charlie, it's a pleasure to be here. >> when you write a book, it's not an easy task as you found out. >> no, it's not. but i have to say that the six years of writing it were a lot shorter than the 61 years it's taken me to become myself. >> rose: (laughs) now what does that mean? 61 years is when you see yourself fully formed and this is what it's about? >> well, i hope i'll never be fully formed. but i'm evolved enough to be able to incorporate the rockefeller as well as the eileen. >> rose: is it hard to be a rock feller? >> yes. >> rose: because much is expected? >> much is expe