c-span: actually john darden wasn't there.onfused with another clip but have you found along the way that people get traditional mainstream journalism are opposed to what you do and has it changed any? >> guest: yeah, i mean there is definitely some of that. i would say by and large. been surprised at how much support there has been. not always public support. but support nonetheless and there was -- there was a point at which right after i got -- after the 2004 election, i got very involved in one story which was when president bush was trying to privatize, the big push to privatize social security and that was, that was probably, i think this was around, around then or probably 2006? c-span: that was actually 07. >> guest: i think that was probably what was in my mind at that point. that was probably the furthest i got in that direction of sort of something like advocacy. that was something that was so important to me. that was also the time now is trying to think, what direction my going to take this? and it was not long af