john davey, people don't realize how much work he has done to make this terminal a success. last but not least diniece turner who has seen the and mike nurny goes to all these meetings. he shakes hands and they know him by name and he is identified with san francisco so it is a team effort and we are have a lot of work to do but i want to call them out. >> i have a couple comment and think commissioner woo hoohas one more. >> now that i had a mbt to reflect on some of the answers that you have provided us from the various speakers and i look at the 5 year projection, so i guess elaine and i will think up on this one. it looks like the key variable here if we want to get to a positive cash flow i look at the net revenue loss line rather than cash flow because that is how we record. the key variable is that event can go up and dredging can come down. we can then break even on cash and that should be the objective. i do notice the dredging cost over the next few years is flat so i don't know if that is realistic and the challenge is >> student figure how to get the dredging cos

there are 2 as john davey said, there are a small amount of dredgers in the bay that do this type of work. there are other dredgers in the area that are in the region that could be brought into play. we are going to do a extensive outreach to them and think we can make it attractive to them and think more competition will help reduce unit costs. there is a finite window when you can do dredging. there are exceptions in the off sigez. all the dredging needs of the bay, all the ports are at the-you have to work within that parameter. there is some lee wlai for off season dredging that we would may qualify for and by getting off season we think the unit cost could be lower because there is les business and people may be more hungry to negotiate with us. and then 2 other ideas are to explore possible wet land restoration or dredge sites on our own property because that is the real expense. it isn't the get thg mud it is where you put the mud and how you deal with it going forward. back the fuper wrun of our ideas is in the old days the port used to have our own dredger and used to-our ma