but john dean, as minusomeone w has made history and you did. you are part of history. what do you think democrats realistically should push for from robert museumer today? >> well, i think they obviously want the key issues of his massive report somehow coming out of his mouth. either in response to question or he volunteered an opening statement. but i think they'd like tom sound bites. >> what key issues would that be? what would be the sound bite? >> well, first of all, was there collusion? and the report indicates there was collusion contrary to mr. trump's statement. >> not enough evidence to charge conspiracy. >> exactly. exactly. no conspiracy. no criminal conspiracy. but certainly multiple contacts. and the second is there was obstruction. and how far he'll go. he merely outlined the facts, the nexus, the intent. all the elements. he didn't link them and say there was obstruction. i think he'll be asked that and pressed that today. >> carl, it strikes me if the democrats want to move the needle as you're suggesting could be possible today, they couldn't have a

then, john dean now.tributor and he joins us to talk about this next important moment on capitol hill after this investigation so talking to jerry nadler what the expectation is, what happens over the next couple of days? >> most difficult thing for nadler has been the lack of cooperation. they're getting fought on everything, the subpoena, every witness. so he'd had to assemble this piece by piece. the big break through was getting mueller to come up there and at least talk about the parameters of the report he's given. as most americans probably most member of congress have not read that report. >> but you think that letter last night from the department of justice to robert mueller telling him the parameters is significant? >> i do. mueller sent the letter to the justice department. the letter came back. >> he asked them, he said what are the parameters and he said that on july 10th? >> on july 10th. >> and then it just came back. >> the 22nd, the night before the hearing. in fact late yesterday aftern

and john dean, formerly a nixon white house counsel, the star witness in the watergate hearings. he is now a cnn contributor. john, let me start with you. what changed? >> first of all, i'm most struck by the fact trump's mantra is in deep trouble. no collusion, that was certainly shown there is collusion. while mueller might have been very sort of reticent in wanting to talk about the details, he certainly didn't eliminate the fact there wasn't collusion as well as obstruction. he certainly knocked down the construction -- obstruction claims. so i think that's one of the things he's done. it has to have its impact. i think disagree. i think they're going to hear for the first time what's in that report, certainly the highlights because i think it's been very effective exchanges when the leading questions like nadler's or adam schiff's statements, the initial ones. as it wore on, it didn't hold up quite as well. >> well, we want to play one of those moments, john dean, and get your reaction to this. this is where he was asked about the president actually being charged after he lea

and where is john dean this time around. the witness who actually saw what was going on at the white house, not leon chaworski -- you need the witnesses that are present. >> down the road, first of all, the book was better than the movie today. we all agree. it was better than the movie and now we're putting form over substance. it was already there. all of the information was already in the actual report so the oiz idea of kicking the can down the road, it is like a wizard of oz moment, ladies and gentlemen, you had the power to go home along, congress, are you going to exercise it or not. i agree, having a moment isn't a blockbuster important to galvanize the moderate democrats or republicans to get there but we're talking about impeachment or an impeachment inquiry. if we're in the inquiry stages there is more than enough information to go forward. >> but again the argument the most aggressive liberals for impeachment makes -- how long will it take. they want to get don mcgahn and other people to testify and it is being l

bash, john dean and ryan liz sa. the dream team.veryone. >> welcome to d.c. >> i want your take away about what happened today and talk about the new reporting that you have. we understand that pressure is building within the democratic caucus on impeachment. what do you know? >> it's been building for a long time. right after the hearings ended, nancy pelosi had a close door meeting with her caucus and we have been doing reporting on it. the headline is that they were really pounded by the members wanting to know now what? mueller has testified. now what are we going to do? the answer was, we said publicly we'll wait and try to get through the core proceedings the lawsuits that we're filing to get information and force mcgahn the former counsel to speak. but they also sort of entertained ideas for the what if. and when if we actually go forward with this. for example nadler the judiciary chairman came up with the said just floated an idea of maybe all six committees investigating will start to write articles of impeachment. he also

we look back on that 45 years later and get these hot moments from john dean, these sound bytes wheredibly devastating things but in fact, in realtime, when dean was giving his testimony, it was -- wasn't he reading hundreds of pages of an opening statement that went on for hours and hours and hours without enter representation? >> absolutely. he was told not to use his contact lenses because it might make him blink so he got little glasses and told by his lawyers to speak in a very low voice because he was going to speak for such a long time, they didn't want his voice to get raspy and not be believable. >> one thing that seems important to me is the issue of the president's finances. i was struck by the fact that eight minutes after the mueller hearings were gavelled to a close, the president's lawyers were in court filing an emergency writ to block his tax returns from being released. we talked about how a historical it was. did you sense there might be more urgency? >> might be. in 1973 richard nixon there was a leak from his taxes showed he had paid $1,000 in 1970 and 1971 so the

li john dean said he himself was not a fact witness. what other kind of witness do you have?william barr trying to help barr by giving him -- help mueller by giving him cover? >> i wouldn't say he's giving him cover. he's letting him know the decision to testify is his decision. decision. mueller said he wants his work to speak for itself. this report has been available to the public for months now. americans don't support impeaching the president and don't want to drag on this investigation through more hearings when we have actual policies to debate with the presidential election coming up. liz: jerry nadler says the mere fact of robert mueller testifying could have a profound impact. is this the democrats trying to keep irrational hope alive? that 2020 clock is ticking. you have to start by september. so this is about dragging the president's approval ratings down. william barr says he's probing the investigation. william barr says he's look toib why a koirn intelligence investigation was opened on the campaign. >> that statement from nadler shows there is actual evidence

john dean, which i thought he made an interesting point because one of the democrats was asking about advice or if your boss gave advice would you follow it and he said you have to be careful about folks like this president has been so frustrated who's been attacked from the number one but nothing happened to this investigation. we seem to gloss over that. >> the question at the end of the day is what happened. it's not a hypothetical to hide a bad agenda. when they played out every possibility they can and he looked at thembu and said i dont agree with your theory, that should tell you a lot right there. >> the only new thing that i learned today even when doug collins said he's going to speak slower, but he can't. [laughter] you brought up forrest johnson whogh indicated he might in some way be compromised. could you explain you mean by that and why you think that? >> it goes back to the origins of thisco investigation is one f the things are differen it isn'e report is who he actually is. he is mentioned in the report two dozen times. so the point that i was making is we know he ha

john dean made an interesting point because one of the democrats asked him about -- if your boss gave you advice. you have to be careful here. this president has been attacked from day one. nothing happened to this investigation. >> do you think they president tried to interfere with the investigation? we answered that today right possible out every theory of obstruction. the only new thing i learned today was that even when doug collins says he is going to speak slower, he cannot. up johnson,rought who became the prime minister and indicated he might be compromised. can you explain what you mean by that? clicks it goes back to the origins of this investigations. is, he is mentioned in the report two dozen times. thatoint i was making is we know he has close ties to our , he worked at campuses that appear to have some type of relationship with multiple western governments. he taught nato courses. he was right here about 100 feet away in the capital visitors center in 2017. participating in a program at the u.s. capitol. the picture with johnson was a recent photo. the point i'm trying

>> don mcgahn in the context of watergate means john dean, he is the witness of what happened and one of the most important obstruction charges. and he's somebody who could do a lot of damage to the president. when john dean was subpoenaed and the records were subpoenaed, there was immediate compliance in 1974, much of the time game is to keep mcgann from being there and raising his right hand. >> and before we let you go, there's also some talk about the fact that chairman nadler could launch impeachment proceedings, just within his committee. and that even came up earlier today, rather than going through the entire congress. what do you think the outcome of that would be? >> well, it's sort of a political strategy, it's the same idea, where nadler will be out front but the moderate democrats who aren't on the committee don't have to own the action. i don't think it's any different from a full house doing it, he has authority to do it. >> always appreciate your insight, thank you. >> thank you. >> speaker pelosi also apparently clearing the air, weeks of public feuding with freshman

you mentioned john dean, i think you're absolutely right. of the scale if you're talking about testimony in history that has moved public opinion against a president. that was june 1973. there were rumors and there was some evidence that nixon might have been involved in the watergate coverup. john dean comes in and says i've got news for you, president nixon was at the center of the coverup, and i know it because he tried to recruit me to help him and i can give you all sort of dialogue that you have not heard that i heard with my own ears in private. that moved public opinion against richard nixon in a very big way for the first time. i don't think we're likely to see that today. >> neal, let's take your questions, which i think are the right ones, if robert mueller decides to answer them. if he sticks to what he said in the eight, nine minute statement of a couple of months ago, the report is my testimony, i will only recite the testimony back to you effectively. if he's asked did your report find there was no collusion, he will say, my m

joining us is john dean and former obama deputy assistant attorney general elliott williams. you testified before the same committee not long ago. i'm wondering what you make of the delay in mueller's testimony. >> i can understand the members being upset that they weren't getting enough time to get their television time and i've never been a fan even when i was counsel of that committee of the five-minute rule. i think it's very difficult to work with and clearly under the five-minute rule they could not get all the members in. i think they should just take blocks of time and have key members do questioning and not try to have everybody in the show. >> well, elliott, the other option too is not having each member make minutes long statements which seemed more like kind of grand standing often than just eats up time that could be asking mueller questions or hearing mueller's direct testimony. >> so like john, i worked up on the hill as well and the problem is they care about the underlying enterprise and getting to the truth but they also care about their moment and they care

every time someone testifies, it's not john dean and now john dean has lost his mind that he's becomeperpartisan that he's no longer a good person to provide color in this context. >> jessica: he is saying that and there are special prosecutors from watergate saying it's analogous in some -- >> jesse: worse than watergate? i've never heard that. >> kennedy: robert mueller is not archibald cox. this was not the saturday night massacre. there weren't a million coconspirators and getting caught in a perjury trap and getting a procedural slap on the wrist and may be doing two weeks jail time, it's not the same thing as the characters in the events in watergate. by the way, republicans found that out the hard way because they try to draw the same comparisons of bill clinton and that completely blew up their faces. nancy pelosi is the only one realizes that. >> greg: the difference between trump and the democratic candidates is that trump led social media by the nose. the democratic candidates are being led by social media. they are chasing all of the views because they can't see how out of

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we talked about the actions of the president, john dean made an interesting point because one of the democrats i believe was asking about advice or if your boss give you advice would you follow it and he said you have to be very careful here about folks like this president who has been so frustrated who has been attacked from day one has been very frustrated but nothing happened to this investigation, we seem to gloss over that and over the fact that he never stopped and we never went. >> the question at the end of the day is what happened on the question is not for the ethereal hypotheticals that the democrats are throwing out there to hide a bad agenda they simply want to attack this president but mr. mueller said that. and we answer that today when you come to the point when they laid out every possible thing they could for obstruction and he looked at them and said i do not agree with your theory, that should tell you a lot.>> you watch the question, looking jeffrey where he lay that out, mueller was clear, the only new thing i learned today, is that even when doug cullen says he

in the watergate hearings you had the testimony of john dean from the inside turning dramatically ont of the united states for the minute by minute account of the president's direction of the cover-up. so i i don't think something like that is likely. but one thing that is happening here is that we now have an attorney general of the united states who is put a gag order on the special counsel and the difference between watergate and this is the system worked in watergate because republicans were open to joining democrats in trying to learn the truth rather than suppress it and what we're seeing so far about tomorrow is the attorney general and the republicans want to continue to suppress the truth and are happy that a cover-up may well be -- >> so you don't think we'll get a john dean type bombshell from robert mueller tomorrow. >> there is reacted material. in watergate, for instance, the redacted material reached the congress of the united states. very significant as laura and i think knows better than anybody. but here there is no access to that redacted material. there has been a

john dean is here as well as harry littman. john, first the supreme court and now a federal judge denying the doj. how big of a blow is this to the trump administration? >> i think it makes it tougher for him for this reason. i think they thought they're going to put a whole new team with lawyers on these cases and they can make a whole new set of representations to the court that are contrary to the representation they have made. they told the supreme court that they have to have the case resolved by the 30th of june. that comes and gone and they have stretching it on and on and there is no dead line. >> harry, you heard chief justice calling it contrite. the court keeps on calling out the administration nonsense. is that what's going on here, hey, it is nonsense, stop it. >> yeah, they're getting bumpy on this. as john says for the actual cases, it may not be inseparable. in an overall trend, you have an administration who has a political ammo feeling whatever they feel like and brazen it out. they tried that same approach in

also john dean and julia cayenne. welcome to each and every one of you. democrats are taking this testimony incredibly seriously. they're running mock hearing sessions. they've got stand-ins for robert mueller. what are they going to focus on and what are they hoping to accomplish this time around? >> one of the things they're hoping to focus on is the idea that the second party of the mueller report, the obstruction part, that there's still so much for them to get to the bottom of. for mueller to explain himself why they decided essentially that they weren't going to make a decision on the obstruction question. that's going to be a lot of the focus of their questions and to see whether or not they can move the needle. i think you call it exactly right, which is the idea that democrats who support an impeachment inquiry want to see whether this hearing can help move the needle for public support for that issue. again, nancy pelosi is dead set against doing this unless she can bring the public or the public is going along with this. i think that's what all

wrong or mcgahn's testimony if he were to give it and suddenly transformed and maybe he becomes john dean and points a finger with donald trump and say i was there and i was in the room and these things happen and you didn't know. the political environment on the hill does not suggest that there is enormous threat to the president right now. >> well, we got peter baker to speak. kimberly atkin and cynthia, thank you so much for being our front four on a thursday night. the new report reveals how systematic the russian hack was and a preview of the next democratic debates. don't forget about them less than a week away now. "the 11th hour" is just getting away on this thursday night. can my side be firm? and my side super soft? with the sleep number 360 smart bed it can with your sleep number setting. can it help keep me asleep? yes, it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. save up to $800 on select sleep number 360 smart beds. ends saturday. (announcer) important message for women and men ages 50 to 85. right now, in areas like yours, people have alr

are we talking about mcgahn being the new john dean? >> that's the hope. the lawsuits today the grand jury lawsuit and filing early next week to compel mcgahn are going to be so crucial. really for two reasons. they're going to force the democrats to take a position. where are you on impeachment? can we please make a plea to everybody. please bring back plain language. english. >> you're done already. you want congress to act and be clear. >> heaven forbid. right. we have seen so many times if you leave any wiggle room or gray area. donald trump and bill barr will jump in and spin. democrats need to learn a lesson. be clear. they'll have to go on record in court and say -- judges will ask. where are you? do you have a resolution. and the more formal the stronger their hand will be in court. this is all or nothing with respect to the witnesses. where ever that goes is where the ruling will go on hope hicks and donaldson and corey lewandowski and sessions. if the democrats lose on mcgahn. they'll have no second act. >> you're smiling. i want to know why. hol

when john dean testified before the watergate committee in 1973, 80 million people were watching. 15 million will be watching tomorrow and most of the public made their mind up. democrats i think for a whole host of reasons too detailed to get into in this conversation are kind of now playing defense or catch up and i'm not sure -- >> here -- this is the difference. you're right about that. back then there were three channels, right and no 24-hour -- >> no twitter. >> those sound bytes will get repeated and repeated. >> and the president will do his thing to reinterpret and repackage. he's going to west virginia and will be making a speech that night. >> i got to go. the significance of his assistant -- >> i think it's very significant and his protector. this guy has been with him. aaron has been with him since his days at the fbi and chief of staff is his right hand man. it's significant. he'll be there to protect him. >> thank you-all. appreciate it. >>> fbi director chris wray warned of the threat. is this country doing enough to stop it? james clapper weighs in next. no cover up

we didn't need to because the american people, wunonce they s the record of what john dean had to say and alexander butterfield, that was it for the american people. before that point less than 30% of the american people favored impeachment. but after those two testimonies over 70% of the american people favored impeachment. and then nixon saw the handwriting on the wall. that's what we're trying to do now. have these people come in and get the testimony, build a foundation and maybe we can get this president to see what's on the wall. >> really quickly, i want to get your take on something that was said by representative ayanna pressley over the weekend. take a listen. >> you know, when you say things hike the speaker of the house is being disrespectful to women of color, is she according to you being disrespectful to women of color because of your color or because she doesn't like your policies or the tactics that you all are taking to make your point? >> right and i'll clarify. i did not say that she was disrespectful of women of color. i found some of the comments disrespectful. a

john dean, i heard you say or i saw you wrote that if mueller had been the prosecutor during the watergatehe prosecutor during the watergate case, nixon would have gotten away with it. >> that's right. i shared that with your office. >> can you explain that? >> it's simple. i waited until i was sure that archibald cox was going to go after the tapes to decide what i was going to do with my own situation. i had been immunized by senate, rather massive immunity, i also had informal immunity from the prosecutors. my lawyers said, john, you can't be prosecuted at this stage unless you want to be or unless you plead. i said, charlie, if i go after the tapes, it's going to change everything. so three days before cox, while i was told about this, was going to be fired, i agreed to plea. knowing he was going to be fired. because i was so convinced he had taken it so far, they would never back off that. >> so you don't think mueller would have gone after the tapes? >> given mueller's performance and the way he let trump not appear under oath, not formally interview him, not in front of a grand jury

well, joining me now, cnn's evan per perez, also john dean and jul t juliette kayyem.ts are taking this testimony inkroeblincredibly se. running mock sessions, have stand-ins for robert mueller. what are they going to focus on and what, what are they hoping to accomplish this time around? >> i think one of the things they're looking to focus on is the idea that, you know, the part -- the second part of the mueller report, the obstruction part, that there's still so much for them to get to the bottom of. for mueller to explain himself as to why they decided essentialessential ly they weren't going to make a decision on the obstruction question. that's going to be a lot of the focus of their questions and to see whether or not it can move the needle. you call it exactly right. the democrats who approve an impeachment hearing want to see if the hearing can move the needle for public support. nancy pelosi is dead set against doing this unless she can bring the public or the public is going along with this. so i thing that's what all the democrats are in favor of an impeach

these are not people who are a john dean -- >> right. >> -- because they are still loyal to president trump. it would be a mistake for democrats to think that if they suddenly got don mcgan to say anything. we might end up with a very similar outcome where you have people coming before the congress testifying but saying as little as they possibly can. >> in a way it can hit harder when someone is seen the gist of the mcgann story. methodically. how much do we feel the need for something new? it's not like mueller missed something. there's also a chicken and eggs eggs. if the courts say, why do you need this? general oversight which is fairly compelling. general oversight and we have an impeachment inquiry. >>> thank you very much. significant new developments in the democratic race for president. former vice president joe biden said he is ready for nuks week's debate. this time he says he won't be so nice. what exactly does he mean by that? that's next. we call it the mother standard of care. it's something we take personally, and believe in passionately. it's the idea that if our mot

. >> i know we talked maybe mueller was a game changer, but don mcgahn could be the john dean of thishe is in -- he was in the white house. he was a key witness for bob mueller. hearing from bob mueller from one thing. hear from don mcgahn is another, but that's what whole legal issue. the courts don't move very quickly. so i do thing that's one thing that could convince more democrats, and then again the president is so unpredictable there could be something that comes out of the sky we don't know about. >> i was just listening to eric swalwell. you asked were you surprised more democrats didn't come out? he says, wolf, everyone who's already said they're in favor of impeaching donald trump, no one is going to back off of that because of the hearing. it's like, well, but to dana's point there's 94, and there's 235. let's maintain already who -- the point was we need to grow, whether in congress or more broadly in public sentiment grow this group. that didn't happen. i'm with gloria, short of mcgann, there would be fought tooth and nail legally, it's hard to see. s right now he can't

things started to move when they heard from people like john dean, you started seeing people shifting more towards wanting impeachment. i don't think mueller was ever going to deliver that. if you did start impeachment hearings and got somebody like a don mcgahn under oath talking, it does have the po pinch ale to change things. >> david, you're a consultant to the trump campaign. focusing on pennsylvania or no? >> i'm trying to help out where i can. >> so do you agree with that? do you agree that don mcgahn might change things around in the house? >> so i think -- we keep saying the movement of the goal post, wait until this mueller part comes occupy firms it's the bombhell of bombshells. the report comes out -- crickets. wait until he comes on the hill and testifies. he testifies -- crickets. i think the speaker is have smart, she's a very smart woman. she looks around, she says i have 30-plus members in seats that were trump districts, and i will not be speaker if we start impeachment proceedings come two years ago from now. that's my thinking on that. >> do you think if that's wha

if you get them in the witness chair, they could have that made for tv moment like john dean had forrd nixon. but don mcgahn ignored a subpoena. and there's a lot of white house official who is have done the same. but the democrats have yet to really move to force their hand in court. >> corey lewandowski who has no claim of privilege. we're going to have jerry nadler on later. kaitlan there's another big story all connected to this which is at the senate intelligence committee. they've released the beginnings of their findings about the russian attack on the u.s. election system in 2016. and among the findings was all 50 states, russia targeted all 50 states. sweeping -- a sweeping assault robert mueller talked about during his testimony -- a sweeping assault. and yesterday mitch mcconnell and republicans in the senate once again blocked senate protection -- ways to protect the electoral systems in the united states. it's really interesting to see this all playing out at once. >> yeah. and this report is pretty damning if you read it. not only does it go into the extensive efforts t

and then they started having hearings and john dean testified and people started moving. believe that those hearings are going to change the trajectory of what's happening. that would be the only reason to do it. >> they won't even comply with congressional subpoenas. there's been an argument that we have all of the jurisdiction and the constitutional powers to investigate. he's not adhering to your investigation. >> so the question becoming, is there even time? >> first of all, i think as -- no one knows better than paul. impeachment is a political process. and nancy pelosi is making a decision about how to get trump out of office. and she is determining right now, it's better to let the voters decide in 2020. now she may be right. she may be wrong. we won't know until then. i also think it's important to listen to what she's saying in her language. she's not saying i will never proceed with impeachment. she's, obviously, nadler is moving forward. what he's moving forward with and what he announced on friday, that's almost an impeachment inquiry. it is for all intents an

maybe he becomes john dean and points a finger at president trump and says i was there, i was in the room, these things happened and you didn't know about them. given what we know now, the political environment on the hill doesn't suggest that there is a enormous threat to the president right now. >> well, we got peter baker to speak french. there is that upside. thank you so much for being our front four on a thursday night. >>> coming up for us, the new report revealing how systemic the russian hack of our election was, how ill-prepared we were for it, all 50 states. >>> and later, a preview of the next democratic debates. don't forget about them less than a week away now. "the 11th hour" just getting under way on this thursday night. i'm alex trebek here to tell you about the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85 and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three p's. what are the three p's? the three p's of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase, and a price that fits your budg

john dean says this looks to him like mueller wants to be limited. what do you think? well, i think what we have heard from director mueller is that he will speak only to the four corners of the document, which doesn't concern me at all. as you know, the four corners of the document contain damning information about russian interference in our election, a trump campaign willing to be welcomed to that interference by russia, and then multiple 10, 11 instances of alleged obstruction by this president of the investigation. so i understand that director mueller wants to do his job and do it well. i have every confidence he will. and by telling us and bringing to the american people the four corners the damning evidence within that document, we will be able to reveal a lot. >> is there a big unknown that you would like answered by robert mueller? >> actually i don't think so. i think the document is what speaks so loudly. but unfortunately that document has been blurred by this administration claiming no collusion, no obstruction. of course that's not at all the findings of

with john dean testified on the water gate in 1973, 80 million people watched.about 15 million will be watching on wednesday. only 21% of the public right thousand supports impeachment. and the democratic caucus is divided. the question is will the democrats get into a rich bounty of material on collusion. which was short of conspiracy. on obstruction. and kind of tell a story about really the conduct on behalf by the administration. is anybody listening can they change minds? probably not. and i think we're kind of nearing the end of the impeachment question. i don't think that's really viable anymore. >> appreciate it. just days after robert mueller testifies democratic candidates return to the debate stage. testimony could become one of the hot topics. why he thinks the 2020 field needs to focus and a reset. (vo) the insurance institute for highway safety rates vehicles for safety, and some reach a level of top safety pick. but only a select few of the very safest vehicles are awarded a top safety pick plus. the highest level of safety possible. how many 2019

they brought michael cohen and john dean as either fact witnesses or experts, you would've been excoriated as a chairman if you had brought two witnesses like that, but they have a safety net.an they are never criticized. b you are calling someone who does not want to come, who is not going to deviate from the four f corners of his report -- some of us did not even think that the report should be public. we sure as hell do not think he ought to be testifying. but they get a passport what should republicans do? they should prepare. you have the best lawyer at your guest tonight. i'm not worried about john ratcliffe, he's fantastic. but they need to think of the trenches or buckets, what did he find? no criminal collusion. what did you not find? an indictable obstruction of justice defense. what did he not bother to look for? johnny mentioned collusion between the trump campaign and russia.lu we do know one campaign was getting dirt from russia, did mueller bother to find out whether the russian government was feeding that dirt through christopher steele to fusion gps? did he even ask? and t

the watergate hearings, the key witness was john dean because he was a participant in the cover-up. mcgann was someone who was apparently recruited into a cover-up. they are the people who really could put incriminating evidence before the american people which is why the white house is fighting so hard to keep them off stage. >> i know you have read the u.s. constitution, you're an expert on the u.s. constitution. article 2 specifically. i will play a alcoholism of wcl president of the united states said today. >> article 2 says i have the right to do whatever i want as president but i don't even talk about that. they did a report and there was no obstruction. >> the sound you heard was every constitutional law professor in the country keeling over that that's what he thinks of article 2. we have a government of enumerated powers where the powers of the congress are stipulated in article 1. the president's powers are in article 2. he's commander in chief of the military. he can make treaties. he cannot do anything he wants. >> he said i have the right to do whatever i want as presi

. >> outfront now, former nixon white house counsel john dean he testified before the house committeethe mueller report. and terrie codera and david preece who brief fbi director mueller as a cia intelligence officer. thank you to all, john let me start with you. unless bob mueller starts talking about classified information or grand jury information, is there anything team trump can do if mueller said, you know, i'm going to listen to chairman nadler i'm a private citizen. i can say whatever i want to say. and i do not have to listen to the doj which says i have to just stay in the report. >> well he certainly has though stay away from grand jury testimony. >> right. >> that's not because of any department regulation. that's federal court and federal law under the federal rules of criminal procedure. that precludes him from talking about that. there are some areas that even if he did want to go beyond it he can't. as far as his staying within the report, i think it's how artful and thoughtful they are in questioning. >> which is what this is all going to come down to. because, kerry,

the best thing is getting don mcgahn that's like john dean raising his hand and saying i'm here to tell the truth. it's much better to hear a live fact witness than to hear the supervisor of people who talk to the fact witness say. >> but to play devils advocate here, they wanted mueller. they got mueller. and a lot of people saying he didn't necessarily deliver the decision that they were looking for and that they were going to launch an impeachment inquiry. how are they so the sure that don mcgahn will do that? >> they accepted mueller because they were denied everybody else. the president and barr have interfered with their investigation, their oversight, their impeachment powers by refusing blanket refuse to let any witness testify. the only one they would let testify, honestly, even if we had had arch i cox or leon jaworski testifying, they wouldn't have known all the facts any more than we would expect mueller to. i interviewed the witnesses, not archie cox. we need the people who were on the trial team or in this case in the investigation to deliver the message. and i also want t

the scandal that was known as watergate thought that robert mueller was going to be about to do a john dean president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency and if the cancer was not removed, the president himself would be killed by it. i also told him that it was important that this cancer be removed immediately because it was growing more deadly every day. >> martha: the reporter who broke this story was hoping for a repeat.

when john dean testified before the house judiciary committee or the senate watergate committee in 1973 people watched. my guess is 15 million people will be watching on wednesday. only 21% of the public right now supports impeachment of the democratic caucuses divided. the question is will the democrats be able to get into a rich bounty of material on collusion, which was short of conspiracy, on obstruction, even if mueller won't commit on it and kind of tell a story about really odo really odious contact. is anybody listening? can they change any minds? my guess is probably not and i think we're nearing the end of the impeachment question now. i don't think that's really viable now. >> interesting. just days after robert mueller testifies, democratic candidates for president return to the debate stage as testimony could become one of the hot topics but up next, thomas freedman tells us why the 2020 field needs to refocus and maybe a reset. we'll be right back. (vo) the insurance institute for highway safety rates vehicles for safety, and some reach a level of top safety pick. but only