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and the president is going to win that episode, unless we can corroborate john dean. and, so we sat down and we figured out nine tapes that we felt we are about criminal activities, that would not fall within executive privilege because of the crime fraud exception, we carefully selected them, and first we sent a letter to the white house which of course they ignored me and that's what led to a subpoena and i do have to correct one thing you said congress never actually got the tapes directly they got them from us. the supreme court ruled in our favor, and we got them. we actually end up with six of the nine, two were missing, went out an 18 and a half miss missing gap. so we got six, and we subpoenaed 64 more one of which is known as a smoking gun tape which clearly let us know that the president knew from the very beginning about the burglary and the cover-up. and it was him saying, well let's just use the cia to stop the fbi from following the money trail, because the money in the burglars pockets, 100 dollar bills, came from cashing a campaign check, from, by the

they shouldn't have allow that to go forward, but once john dean had hired him, john dean was put in charge of creating a campaign intelligence plan. john didn't watch him and it is like victor frankenstein. he created the problem i hiring gordon liddy and he couldn't control him. nobody could control him. going threatened to kill john mitchell. he put his hands on his shoulder and gordon said, take your hand off or i will kill you, and he meant it. this was a scary guy, and nobody stood up to him. i was talking to pat moynihan in the middle of watergate. that was one of nixon's first council, a really neat guy. he grew up in hell's kitchen, and he knew both sides. he said this business we are in, politics, attracts some very intense people. you can't keep them out because we work of volunteers. the test is what do you do when you first have an inkling that you have enough on your side of and that is where we failed. host: we are inviting viewers to join this conversation as we talk to two key players from that time on the 50th anniversary of the 1972 watergate break-in. republicans,

waiting ifor a john dean moment and had a john dean conversation. one that might influence how americans might understand what truly happened. do you think we've seen something like that through cassidy hutchinson or jeffrey rosen and donohue or is that what you think someone like pat cipollone sitting where john dean once sat could bring? >> well, cassidy hutchinson's testimony was a game changer and it was one of those dramatic surprises that shaped the senate watergate hearings and i think has moved this particular congressional investigation in a direction that we haven't seen since the senate watergate hearings. but what made the john dean moment john dean moment, was not just simply your previous guest but his position in the white house. the fact he was the white house counsel and talked to the president so he could give firsthand testimony, which as nick mentioned, was fully corroborated by the tapes, that he could tell us what the president was saying. cassidy hutchinson did a very good job of being very straightforward what she heard and w

but for me, it changed my life. >> john dean was released without bail.ot be the watergate scapegoat. >> i find lots of memories are buried in these boxes. >> i am trying to share what i have learned. i am also trying to warn people about what i observed, and how fragile the system is. we shouldn't forget the story of watergate. it was an important lesson. it was a threat to democracy, not a -- as serious as the threats today, but, the basic story. because it is a piece of our history, and if we lose it and forget it, democracy will fade in the process. >>

but then i realized he putt me in front of the bus. >> john dean was gradually being set up. anned to make dean the fall guy. >> in the first couple weeks after the break-in i learned that there was an investigation by a prosecutor in florida who had found a check that went through the watergate burglar's catalanotto and connected to the committee for the re-election of the president so i said to the editors at "washington post," there's a guy down there in florida doing an investigation and they got me on the next plane to go down to florida where the burglars were from and there's the check for $25,000. i called woodward. i said somewhere in this world is a guy named kenneth and we need to find him really fast. woodward found him and indeed he worked at the campaign for the re-election of nixon. he gave a check and then he had gone into the bank account of one of the watergate burglars and the key connection between the committee for re-election of the president and the higher ups in the campaign. >> "the washington post" discovered that $25,000 in political contributions to

she, is in a way, so far with john, dean she wasn't a coconspirator, john dean, was he was guilty of cover-up, he was a full participant didn't. and she wasn't, so she's an even more credible witness. yes, it's true, he lost his law license, and of course he was finished in politics as a result of everything he did, but he did the right thing, and he feels good about it. he has the moral high ground with this, and pat cipollone, needs to do the same thing. i know john has been calling for pat to do this on twitter, and i don't know whether he sees john dean's tweets, but pat if you are listening, john dean things you ought to do to this. so do i, so do most americans. it is the right thing to do. i agreed with everythi poll said about the likelihood of whether he will or won't, whether he will try to use some kind of privileges. but i defer in one respect, which is that executive privilege is gone. once you are involved in crime and fraud, that is number one. aside from the, fact you also mentioned, lawrence, that when there are other witnesses, you can't have privilege, because thes

from john dean in a very important respect which is john dean was actually involved in some of the wrongdoing haven't seen any evidence of pat cipollone was involved in any of the wrongdoing, in fact he was trying to stop it. but it is similar and john dean in the sense that not only did have the same position as white house counsel but he was right there in the room when so many of these conversations took place so he could turn out to be a very central witness to this whole investigation. >> joining us now is neil, former acting u.s. assistant attorney general. this is a big day for the committee whatever investigation like this we, have the white house counsel coming in. we know he has been quoted in conversations that are material that don't even include donald trump. donald trump is not even in the room for some of these conversations. there isn't a wiff of privilege around many of these conversations? >> exactly lawrence, this is a big deal. the white house counsel is donald trump's top lawyer. we know he was an eye witness to so many of the things that donald trump did. in his testimon

i'd interviewed john dean and dean made a statement to me and i was over at his apartment over in alexander, virginia, and they said gene. i did this. this is he said i was there with the president one time in the ovals. i said, i i felt like i was being recorded. that was just a comment just often just i felt like those things are little things that because of the work. i always did stick to me. it felt like it there must be something to that. i interviewed, uh halderman over there and then interviewed butterfield reported to my minority council. i was on i was a democrat majority council my minority counselor. don sanders great guy. he died about 20 years ago, but his heart and i said don, let's see if there's a tight recording in the oval office when don's turn came the investigator goes first. he investigator. i better not say what i'm going to say about him. he went three hours and never asked the right question when it got to don don and his uh said, uh, mr. butterfield. is there anything about there being a type recording in the oval office and the butterfield's comment? i was afraid

people are wondering if his testimony might be a john dean moment, obviously john dean and cipolloneuse counsel in different era is and presidents, what do you think now what we are hearinga the this moment and what does it mean for his inner circle the fact that he even presented himself to give testimony? >> well, it could be devastating. we are going to find out pretty soon. but, i think that it is important that we should not run out and lionize him. i was interested to hear my friend john dean giving him brownie points, but he came forward reluctantly, he is a trump loyalist. he was all part of the shake down, denying weapon unless he got dirt on joe biden. we should not forget all of that. so it is hard to say. but, having said all of that you have to sympathize with the guy in his position. i used to think that the worst job imaginable was being donald trump's white house chief of staff. he told me take everything you know and multiply it by 50. but imagine being donald trump's white house counsel. who in his right mind would sign up for that job? so, you know, a little sympat

i thought about john dean and that line, cancer on the presidency. as cassidy hutchinson testified before the committee last week. there was that particularly dramatic moment in her testimony. she described how pat cipollone was desperate to ensure that donald trump did not believe the mob to storm the capitol, and topple american democracy on january 6th. >> i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out onto the street that morning, and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure that we don't go to the capitol, cassidy, keep in touch with me. we are going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> that line, that may rank up there with the john dean line, cancer to the presidency. pat cipollone believed that donald trump and others in the white house for up to no good on january 6th, and they were engaged in criminal activity. they were attempting to pull off a crime, and he desperately tried to stop them from quote, getting charged with every crime imaginable. on friday, just two days from, n

john dean tweeted this afternoon that basically cipollone's legal advice to the president can remain confidential but there are other facts. dean found a way to testify about witnessing the president committing crimes in the oval office, so possibly pat cipollone did today as well. but we just won't know. the next hearing is tuesday that looks like another blockbuster hearing. >> the point is that i think there's an interesting point as well. the importance of cipollone for establishing if there was gonna be prosecution of anyone, and it does look like there is a significant criminal exposure of jeffrey clark and john eastman. cipollone is a key witness for that independent of what he tells the committee because of precisely his level of knowledge. that's another possibility the looms over all of us as well? >> yes, that's another effort about pressuring other witnesses to turn on trump, pressuring eastman. wholesome mark meadows as well. cassidy had describe some heated exchange between meadows and cipollone. don't think all of his conversations -- and if there's someone who could tu

he is different than john dean in a very important respect, which is that john dean was actually involved in some of the wrongdoing. here, i haven't seen any evidence that path cipollone was involved in any of the wrongdoing, in fact he tried to stop it. but he is similar to john dean in the sense that not only does he have the same position, white house counsel, but he was right there in the room when so many of these conversations took place. he could turn out to be a very central witness to this entire investigation. >> you've had a really good seat to these hearings, you've fine right in them. what is the biggest revelation out of the hearing so far for you? >> i think that the biggest revelation in general is just how close we came to having a constitutional crisis that was even worse than the one that we had on january 6th, believe it or not. january 6th was absolutely horrible, both in terms of what it meant for the functioning of our government, and of course for the people who were injured or killed. it could've been far worse. our democracy is very fragile. there were some thing

>> my name is john dean. i was richard nixon's white house counsel. >> the morning of june 17th, 1972, i got a call saying they've got this strange, weird burglary in the democratic headquarters. who would be dumb enough to come in and work on this beautiful day? and my name immediately came to their lips. >> i saw all this commotion on the city desk. and it was about this break-in. and it looked like a better story than what i was writing. and so i said, hey, i'd like to make some checks on this. >> well, i did have an apartment in the watergate, but i was far away from where the break-in took place. it was the height of the '72 primary campaign season. nixon was running for office again. the bureau was empty. i was brand new at cbs news. the assignment editor looks around, he's like, ah, let the new girl go. i bought into the idea that it was a nothing burger. i went to the court and the room was empty. there was one other reporter, this guy from "the washington post" "metro" page. it was bob woodward. >> i

look, people are wondering whether his testimony might be a john dean moment.iously, john dean and cipollone, both white house counsel in very different eras for very different presidents. but he was in fact a reluctant witness. what do you think about the fact that only know are we really hearing this moment and what could it possibly mean for his inner circle, the fact that he even presented himself to give testimony? >> well, it could be devastating. we're going to find out pretty soon. but i think it's important that we shouldn't run out and lionize pat cipollone. i was interested to hear myfriend friend john dean giving him brownie points for coming forward. but he came forward reluctantly. he's a long-time trump loyalist. he was all in on trump's shakedown of volodymyr zelenskyy, denying weapons unless he got dirt on joe biden. we shouldn't forget all of that. so it's hard to say. but having said all of that, you have to sympathize with a guy in his position. i used to think that the worst job imaginable was being donald trump's white house chief of staff

these are the charges. >> john dean, i want to bring you in. i want to hear what you think about this, when you heard the news and read the report, what were your thoughts? >> my first -- i was encouraged tree that there were also investigating seditious conspiracy. now, that, you need some violence, and you have to tie and connect trump to it. which has not really happened yet. but i think that is inevitable that they're going to find evidence of roger stone or somebody like that. you know, that was trumps inclination and disposition. so, it's encouraging that that is certainly on the menu that they are looking at. but i think also it is important to realize this is the force sort of official leaked that has confirmed what has really been going on probably for a good number of months now. marc short, and greg jacobs just did not pop up. somebody talk to them, knew what they were going to talk about in front of the grand jury, and then process them just last friday, had them up here. now, we're getting a story of much more depth about the natur

we just had a john dean conversation. the moment and the hearings, one that might influence how americans might understand what truly happened. have we seen something like that yet? is that what you think somebody like pat cipollone, sitting with john the that could bring. >> calf kassidy hutchinson's testimony was a game changer. it was a dramatic surprise that shaped the hearings. >> and moved to this investigation in a direction that we haven't seen since the hearings. what made the john dean moment was not simply your previous guest but his position. the fact that he was white house counsel. he could give first-hand testimony that was fully corroborated. kassidy hutchinson did a good job of being very straightforward about what she heard and what she testified to that was hearsay. a lot of what she heard was from mark meadows and pat cipollone . it is pat cipollone in mark meadows that were with the president. they are the ones that could give us a john dean moment. my concern is that pat cipollone counseled the presi

we also were able to get to john dean's lawyers and so we do that dean was going to implicate the president before it happened so that knowledge again, what was being developed by the committee was almost as if there was a source out in the open enabled us to perhaps go to the next step. >> also i think it got harder not because of what we had to do but i think a little bit we were exhausted. we were going to write a book aboutthis . it wasn't clear and so we knocked on fewer doors than we used to and i think the lesson always is never stop knocking on doors. >> you mentioned deed. we have a clip of his testimony i want to show and then talk about his role in all of this. let's watch that and then i'll turn toyou bob . >> i began by telling the president there was a cancer growing on the presidency and if the cancer was not removed the president himself would be killed by. i also told him it was important that this cancer be removed immediately because it was growing more deadly every day . >> how should we think about john dean in history. the role he played, the pros and cons of what he d

so john dean, two of the individuals that we saw there today, were there on that day, right?dy to topple the government if they could. today, jason van tauten hoff says we need to stop mincing words. that was the whole goal was to spark a new civil war. steven ayers said i waited and waited. and i only left basically because the president said to leave. how compelling were they? >> i thought they were powerful witnesses because they were speaking from the heart. this is what they felt. this is how they had performed. they know they had made a mistake. they rethought their position now. and they realize the power of this man. they were really classic authoritarian followers. following the leader. >> the whole truth and nothing but the truth -- >> we're watching them there as they stood and took their oath. when you look at the totality of what we saw today, right, the goal to lay out clearly one of the key goals was that this was a premeditated act, that this was a premeditated march, that the president, we already know he knew this was an armed crowd. it was not spontaneous.

more on that, john dean also joins us who said he wanted a, quote, pat cipollone moment, and emotional scenes for capitol hill police officers who survived the attack. we're coming right back. under budget too! and i get t seven days to love it or my y money back... i love it! i thought online meant no one t to help me, but susan from carvana had all the ananswers. she didn't try to upsell me. not once, because they're not salespeople! what are you...? guess who just checked in on me? mom... susan from carvana! [laughs] we'll drive you happy at carvana. discover theratears®. like no other dry-eye drop in the world. with the 5 vital electrolytes found in natural tears, theratears® is one-of-a-kind hydration that feels like silk. theratears®. a drop like no other™. . >>> a troubling theme in these hearings made a return appearance today. the vice chair of the committee, liz cheney, laid it out in her closing remarks. >> after our last hearing, president trump tried to call a witness in our investigation, a witness you have not yet seen in these hearings. that person declined to answer or

you ride noble, lettuce continue that conversation, joining us now is former nixon house counsel, john dean. john, you have been in cipollone's shoes, how are you looking at this? >> i agree, he is a key witness . he sought a lot of things that were going on did his duty, and his assignment, was to protect the office of the president. so he should be forthcoming. he should explain what happened, why it happened, and what he knows. i don't know if you will. his past performance has not indicated that kind of cooperation, so it is a good question. it is kind of a mystery that we are hanging on right now to see what he does. >> no kidding. as you know, before, he did that voluntarily interview it sounds like he did not provide as much information as the committee would have liked. or maybe they do not have as much background in terms of harming questions to ask him at that time, but now he is there under subpoena, and they had to agree on the terms. i want to remind our viewers about what we heard from cassidy hutchinson when she testified about a conversation that she had with cipollone, abou

but unlike john dean, we've not heard from pat cipollone.ed for a closed door interview with the house committee investigating january 6th but has not agreed to testify publicly drawing criticism from the panel's vice chair. >> we think the american people deserve to hear from mr. cipollone personally. >> reporter: the analysts we spoke to said cipollone so far hasn't gone out on a limb like dean did. former federal prosecutor wu believes cipollone should have contacted other cabinet members about trump's behavior or should have resigned. >> quite a solemn duty to not only advise the president but to protect the office of the presidency. >> reporter: analysts say one thing that adds to the enormous pressure of being a white house counsel in the middle of a scandal many of them don't have the background for it. one legal analyst told us many white house counsels don't come in with experience in criminal cases. they're more often trained to deal with policy issues. but when they get thrown into a big scandal and may have to act as a whistle-bl

john dean, i'll ask you. wolf is one of multiple trump cabinet officials. look at the screen there, all these people who have been talking or negotiating to talking with the select committee, congresswoman liz cheney said just last week that the dam has begun to break. is that what's happening here? because most of these people were in trump's inner circle until the end and would have seen and heard a lot. what do you attribute this sudden influx of people more willing, ready, and able as, well, they were always ready and perhaps able to do so. what do you attribute this new influx to? >> obviously they're seeing their colleagues who are coming forward, people like cassidy hutchinson, and making an impact. some of these people while they would in trump, they certainly didn't believe in some of the conduct, and that could be the reason propelling some of them. others, i'm curious if there's a similar picture that's going on at the u.s. attorney identifies where people who are concerned about crime are down there trying to get up at the front of the line and

john dean testified, laid out before the senate watergate committee, a very cogent and precise recitationh richard nixon in which he was basically orchestrating the coverup of the watergate investigation. and after he testified, republicans on the committee, other supporter of nixon claimed he was a liar. claimed he wasn't credible. and now we're seeing the same thing happen again with cassidy hutchinson. what makes cipollone so important is that he's going to be kind of like the tape that corroborated john dean. he's going to the guy to come in and basically be able to say that what cassidy hutchinson said was absolutely the truth. i mean, cipollone was the lead lawyer for donald trump in the first impeachment. in trump world, he's as good the a tape recording. >> yeah. liz cheney is now saying in public they have the power and may make more than one criminal referral. how does that all work? what were your thoughts there, nick? >> i don't think it make a difference. the evidence is out there. first of all, the department of justice has got to realize that they've got serious crimes to i

also cnn contributor former watergate hearing witness and nixon counsel, john dean, and abby phillip,r of "inside politics sunday." abby, we heard from former white house staffers that as the capitol was being attacked, the president didn't call the national guard, didn't call the secretary of defense, didn't call the fbi, didn't call the department of homeland security, and didn't call the capitol police. does that make the case to you, as the committee laid out, that he deliberately chose not to act? >> it's really, really important, john. and i can't overstress this. i think that presentation they put on last night is really the keystone to connecting this story they have laid out over the course of the hearings. so we've heard through all the previous hearings, all the attempts that the president made, the president and his people made to obstruct the certification of the election, to overturn the results of the election, to get in the way of this day of certification. and having failed in every other respect, from his lawsuits to the request to seize voting machines, to pressure

. >> i am joined tonight by a man who knows what it will be like for pat cipollone, john dean. also with us, jim schultz, who worked in the white house counsel's office under then-president trump. thank you for being with us tonight. john, i have to start with you. how does this pat cipollone moment compare to what you went through in 1973? >> well, i think it's very different. i was very inclined to testify. i was actually trying to end a cover-up that was ongoing. it was more than just a bungled burglary that had happened at the watergate but rather a whole sequence of elicit activity that needed to be explained so you could understand watergate. so, i was a willing witness. i had been involved in misconduct on my own, and i wanted to end all that and explain what had happened. so, pat cipollone is coming from a very different place, and i hope he's not coming from the same place you showed in the clip back in october of 2019 when he, i think, was not representing the office of the president but rather representing the president. and i think if he goes in front of the committe

cipollone also held the same job as john dean whose legendary 1973 testimony was a turningpoint in thete investigation. here is what january 6 investigator john wood had to say right here on msnbc about the tremendous significance of the committee getting an interview with cipollone. >> it was really important that he would eventually end up testifying before the committee and on the record and videotaped so the american people can see it. i'm glad that is coming together this friday so hopefully the committee will show some of the key clips of that interview during a hearing next week. so it is important that the american people hear from him. i've heard other people say that he could be the john dean of this investigation, but he's different from john dean in a very important respect which is john dean was actually involved in some of the wrongdoing. here, i haven't seen any evidence that pat cipollone was involved in any of the wrongdoing. in fact, he tried to stop it, but he is similar to john dean in the sense that not only does he have the same position as white house council and

. >> on the legal side of things cnn carded in that old fossil john dean to give the ticket i don't seeow the line prosecutors at the department o justice can't take a lot of thi evidence and use it too. left of the people are involved in this will be in front of a grand jury, and trump is in trouble. trump is in trouble. >> i like the walls closing in on that ukrainian phone call, h has been saying the walls are closing in since 73, whatever i was. >> look, laura, i'm going to have to defer political felonie to john dean because he is the expert. he's got some personal knowledg of that. >> to me this whole thing becomes just one big democrat fundraising appeal. you get this insets all that is. nobody's watching that, nobody cares. so it's just so pleased janie can raise more money for the primary she's about to lose. other than that i'm not sure what they get freight congrats on the book, great to see you. as they january 6 committee continues to flounder. influential liberal columnists michelle goldberg of the new york times is the latest person begging biden not to run. she is hiding

we want to bring in the nixon white house counsel john dean and watergate prosecutor nick ackerman. out. jon kyl -- john you have been saying every time the name is been mentioned, there is a moral obligation to appear before the committee. now he will. tell me why it is important to hear from pat? >> the democracy is at stake. it is not a game. it is a terrifying situation. rather than honor the oath of office that he took, he has been trying to resist testimony and appearing before the committee. he had an informal session in april off the record. i don't even think it was sworn. he has now been negotiating as the terms under which you will testify. i don't get it. here is a guy that had the benefit of our democracy, he should be volunteering information so we can understand wha

and he asked john dean or you nervous when you testified in the watergate hearings?n dean said no, because richard nixon was weekend, he was politically weekend. and the question is has that happened, or is that happening to donald trump? i'll certainly defer to you as the conservative in the room, it sounds like that may be starting. that >> is starting. he's still the front runner, i think, for the 2024 nomination. but in a fragmented field, he is still the best friend. but is clear to me there are more and more people every day in the party who are looking for a way out of this. >> the reason this is important is because, scott pelley, we've been doing this for what, 25 years? >> 15, 16 years that we've been talking about this. and the first time i've heard you say that, because we've had all these things, there's two impeachments, the beginning of the insurrection and the tape. you know, the infamous pita up. and you said, we're making all this heavy about this, and people don't care. they're still supporting. that's the first time i've heard. so this is why i th

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john dean is here. he's a former white house counsel to the nixon white house and cnn global affairs analyst susan joins us as well. good evening to both of you. john, you first. that video, it's something else, as they say. seeing trump's reluctance to condemn the violence the day after the insurrection, plus the handwritten edits, plus when everybody else was saying that he should do because it went to his reputation, his legacy and which is the show about trump's feelings toward the insurrectionists and how damning is this new evidence in your eyes? >> it shows the insurrectionists were doing exactly what he wanted. it played out exactly as he probably assumed it would. from early, i think this was part of the planning and part of the mechanics of how the process would work. that they would scare the vice president into the action they wanted or disrupt the action and prevent him from being able to carry it out. obviously, he has no remorse about it. no concern that he was harming people, that this wa

here to discuss, john dean, who was nixon white house counsel and counsel to the house democrats during the first trump impeachment. gentlemen, good to see you. thanks so much. let's start with ambassador eisen. ambassador, the hutchinson testimony this week was explosive. it added a lot to the public's understanding of what happened leading up to and on january 6th. has there been a shift in momentum for the committee, you think, and a rising alarm in trump world because of all these revelations that are coming out? >> don, thanks for having me back. i think the committee was accelerating even before cassidy hutchinson, but she put them into hyper drive. she provided the missing link, many missing links that we have been waiting for. but above all, tying trump very directly to the violence. he knew that there were weapons in the crowd. he incited the crowd. he wanted to march with the crowd. and then his hostility that she reported towards mike pence, not sympathetic at all agreeing, and that terrible tweet a little after 2:00 p.m. so this was a devastating acceleration, i think, of do

john dean, and cnn chief legal analyst mr. jeffrey toobin. good evening, gentlemen. jeffrey, the january 6th committee has snippets of outtakes the day after the riot. listen, this is what congressman adam schiff told me about it. watch. >> there are people urging him to say things to try to get the rioters, the attackers to go home. there are things that he can't be prevailed upon to do or say not for hours and hours. and then ultimately when he does give a statement still things he wouldn't say. so you'll have to wait until tomorrow evening to see precisely what that is. >> this could shed a whole lot of light on his state of mind in the wake of the riot. that could be revealed, right? >> yeah, don. so much of this investigation has been about former president trump's state of mind. you know, was he someone who was trying to just get the right answer about how the votes were counted? or was he doing whatever it took to get his vote total ahead of joe biden's regardless of what the actual vote totals were? you know, outtakes are an extremely useful piece of evidence

." >> joining me is someone with a unique perspective on what we saw over the last seven days, john dean, former white house counsel to richard nixon. john, you put a lot of pressure on the committee when you said the surprise hearing earlier this week needed to be a big deal, and then you later said it definitely lived up to that. as someone who sat in cassidy hutchinson's seat during the watergate hearings, what struck you most about the testimony? >> she's a very good witness. she had truth on her side, was consp conspicuous. she was comfortable in testifying. she obviously has spent some time on the hill, so to it wasn't a foreign kind of atmosphere. and she was very good. she was articulate and clear memory of the episodes that she addressed. so i think she was -- she hit it out of the box, if you will. >> you know, one of the things -- a name we heard a lot during that hearing is pat cipollone, the former white house counsel, the white house counsel at the time. you've been very clear that he needs to testify. i think the committee's in the process of trying to figure something out

withy moo now is john dean. of course, you know him. as the president nixon's white house counsel and the star witness in the watergate hearings. john, it is so good to see you here today. >> thank you. >> everyone talks about the john dean moments and what might come and the stunning revelations that are there. let's talk about what we broke this hour in talking about the news, john, because we are learning about another conservative lawyer. not one's name we may have heard most recently, but a conservative lawyer who was pushing donald trump to engage in election interference and he mocked the idea that it be called a saturday night massacre or martial law. i wonder what you make of it, in particular? >> well, i was somewhat stunned by the story in the times this morning when i read it. in fact, i have the memo right in front of me today. i'm looking at it and pondering it. it's really very radical conservatism, the far right of the far right, and i think it's way out of line. >> well, i wonder, john, how this compares to other memos a

john dean, talking about this. you seem to have and know the pertinent questions what happened with richard nixon and watergate. the january 6th committee saying that concerns about the secret service handling of text messages. our jamie gangel saying earlier, that's code for being serious. how poorly has the agency handle this? >> not well at all, the thinking back on watergate. as you were leading into the question. and how poorly the secret service did in that. where they had an 18 and a half minute gap, they couldn't really -- >> that's why i said it, that's why i said it [laughs] >> they had a whole missing real, the one i revealed, my conversation, where i thought i was taped. and that whole thing disappeared. so this is an agency with a history. i have always been surprised, how political donald trump -- i shouldn't say surprised, he made everything political. he certainly politicized the secret service. he brought his own man in to run it. he took the head of his own detail and made him a deputy chief of st