and turns on itself, dana gold, john delaney. yeah. fight you are fighting a savage. pho, when. when that flip flips and you turn on yourself, it's the irish irish and inches tucker, this names are cincy. come down stealthily on that rope in the room. you don't even know, brother. um, so i know that directing a documentary, as errol morris will tell you as different chops, than to writing a theatrical release or something like that, or a comedian special. tell me what the joys and the rigors are. each of each one of those 3, bob, what style? documentaries. what did you enjoy and what, what do you find arduous, what documentaries is, is, is different because the, i here are limitless. you know, you can narrate something, you can animate something, you can, you can tell the story a 1000000 ways when dana were make it doesn't. dana told me that we didn't like each other and i always hated them. i was like, secretly i went, oh, i think i got a narrative here. i actually, i but damn, if this narrative has to play out, i'm going to have to apologize to him. i don't. and i made myself

obvious itself and the john brown and abraham lincoln views coming together towards the end of the war certainly with hardly need to frederick douglass rated. >> in that meeting with delaneyen he comes to me with a mike and i think in february of 65 and says, we need a black army to go into the south and according to delaney's reminiscences, lincoln says that this is the idea that we been waiting for somebody to bring to me and of course delaney gets commission to major a few weeks later. david let me ask you about lincoln's love of literature and humor and can you talk about his love of those things as a younger man and how they developed and more of the impact on slavery five rated. >> is example of somebody and i think you can still apply today but the main, and less than one year of school which was here there it was three months here in two months there and so forth. he was infinitely curious he didn't have that many books and frontier but he grew up he rose much as he could and such a steel trap of a memory that he can read a poem a couple of times in a loved poetry above all and it would be in his brain. in shakespeare by the pitch and poetry for him was telling th