. >> guest: two quakers, john dickinson being the one that everyone knows about. and many other researchers have shown the same thing. but the formal church affiliations don't tell you a lot. i have a note, also, there from daniel bushton, i think, who points out that, of the more than 100 members of the virginia -- what was in essence was their constitutional convention in '76, although it wasn't really a constitutional convention, that only three out of more than 100 were not vestrymen of the church of england. and in virginia, in that day vestrymen were basically the people who ran the society. the whole -- the church and the political system of virginia were run by vestrymen of the church of england. c-span: how long did you work on this book? >> guest: about 30 years. well, and i say that somewhat jokingly, but really the reading and thought of 30 years have gone into it. the writing of it took about a year. c-span: that's the longest number of years i've ever gotten in answer to that question. if i saw you in your environment and had all around you the books