ralph reed, john doolittle, karl rove, dick armey, conrad burns, don young. it was all about the money. >> almost everyone on that%+ screen is gone from where they were when they either got in trouble or they were in office. a couple of them are till ttere. who did we just see and why did you start with those people? >> i started with those people because it was interesting to me to show that jack abramoff wasn't on the periphery,,that he was at a certain moment in time, his moment, the late 1990's, early 2000's, that he was at he center of washington. and so you saw a lot of people there, ralph reed, karl rove and others, and george w. bush who were right at the center of power in washington, because i think there have been a pretty concerted attempt to use abramoff in a way to be the scapegoat. not that he didn't do things wrong. he did a lot that was dead- prong. but to lay all the blame at his doorstep as if to say jack was a unique character whoooperated onnthe fringes of government, didn't have much affect on somebody. he was at the center, thht's why i

tom delay, john doolittle. j.d. heyward, patrick kennedy, conrad burns. jack abramoff was so skillful at convincing a lot of indian tribes or companies to donate all kinds of money to political candidates and political parties as he saw fit. so yeah, jack abramoff was a huge rainmaker, one of the largest rainmakers in town. >> you know, there are a lot of names that popped up on there. first of all, how did you dd that? >> how did i do what? >> that whole scene with the slot machine. >> oh, well, we worked with a great design firm called big star in new york, and we had the concept, and they helped us to execute it, to actually put the photographs in, to composite it and put the shadows sooit has a -- we actually shot a real slot machine, which turned out to be more difficult to do than i thought, and then we put it all together in a post- production process. it was fun. >> i know i've said this a couple times, but it's amazing how many people in your documentary are no longer in politics, no longer in power. but some are. john doolittle was on that list.