>> this is reminiscent of john dos passos. you say unwinding. you have undergone this many times.is the unwinding making america a worse place or in some ways is it making it better? >> i think it's moving in two directions at once. we have greater freedom than we have ever had. more choices, more apps and more people who can use them. the circle of inclusion has widened. you can now be a way scout which you could not when i was a kid. that is a good thing. but that gave boy scout probably goes to a public school. at the same time we have had this widening of freedom and of choice we have had growing disparities between groups of americans until today we are at a point where it makes makes "the great gatsby" seem relatively egalitarian. we have a class of celebrities that are like a superclass and to themselves. they marry each other and they cheat on each other. they sit on each other's boards. the blurb each other's books. they are like olympic gods and the country is left at the bottom to watch the men off. that is the role that some of the celebrities in my book play. it's har