muller was appointed in may of 2070 he started telling trump's lawyers who at that time were led by john dowd and jay secular in the fall of 2017 i want to i want to interview the president which is something he should have done and they they got to the point where there was actually something scheduled in january of 2018 an interview at camp david but ultimately john dowd pulled the plug he pulled the plug for the obvious reason that he knew as anyone knows that well that trump would have lied the way he always lied including under oath in this circumstance and at that point in january of 2018 muller could have just pulled the trigger gotten a subpoena and fought it out in the courts probably to have it resolved by the end of june which only would have been a year into his investigation what doubt and then giuliani did was they sort of stretched out these negotiations and that. allowed. the trump team to sort of it run out the clock and mo they knew that mahler didn't want to spend 5 years the way ken starr spent 5 years and that compelled moller to accept written questions and answers as op

i do think that john dowd, jay sekulow, rudy giuliani for all of his public appearances per smart in the way they stretched out the debate, the discussion over the subpoena. they didn't say no but they didn't say yes and they negotiated for months and months, the story that i tell them the buck. they wound up stretching the story that mueller felt all i could get is written answers to questions about what went on in the campaign. they were useful because they were written by lawyers. actually two relatively unsung heroes did a good job for trump. they knew that mueller didn't want to go on for as long as kenneth starr or lawrence walsh so there was good lawyering which is to delay, delay. so in that respect there was but by and large, the failures of the office particularly not the one to be honest about what went on in the obstruction of justice, that was about the temperament and values more than it was about the good lawyers on the other side. >> host: temperament and values in terms of doing what's fair and right. we can't charge him, we are not going to speak to >> guest: he con

dowd tweet. despite editors existing, they forgot you ran for president with a man on your ticket in 2016. also sara palin and johneaction to the fact that the mainstream media sometimes seems to erase you or your accomplishments? >> well, look, i think it's part of the larger challenge. this is something that i think about for whichever woman joe puts on the ticket with him. there still is just so many filters that stand between women seeking public office, particularly at the highest level, and the press and the public. we just have to keep ripping them away and making it absolutely clear that women are ready to serve. we have served. we are prepared to serve. i think that any of us in the press or who have any kind of platform should be ready to really speak out and defend the woman that vice president picks, because i can tell you the trump campaign has not been successful in the many absurd attacks that they have made on joe biden. they have tried just about everything they could think of, not that they are going to stop. that's the only way they think they can win. but they're going to go after whoever he pu