i don't know that john eastman was really in that piece of the conspiracy. it seems to me that folks like roger stone, meg flynn maybe were more of the links. i think john eastman was more involved in having the fake e lk or the slates come in, pressuring state legislatures, that side of things, but of course we won't know until we hear about the fruits of this information that doj is starting to collect. >> our capitol hill team just learned from chairman vinny thompson that the committee will release a report on the national guard as early as august, and more on doj and the secret service. we've learned that of course the former president has said that he called tens of thousands of guards members to go to the capitol. we heard from the former acting defense secretary that he never received that call. fit that piece into the larger picture that we will learn next month, more about that element of the investigation. >> well, it really goes to the subject of the last hearing, which is what was the president doing, what was he not doing on january 6th as viol

filing said they had gotten a second warrant to look through some of the things they found on john eastman's phone. because eastman claims that he was a lawyer for the former president, this sets up some potential attorney/client privilege issues is, which is what prosecutors are trying to get ahead. by the way, that warrant, the court document that was filed today was signed by the u.s. attorney, the assistant u.s. attorney, his name is tom wyndham, who is helping to manage the overall case, the case is that is right now circling around the former president, erin. >> thank you very much, evan. you know, as evan says, circling around. you have hundreds of people charged farther out, it's getting closer and closer and closer. i want to go to a former senior counsel to ken starr during the white water investigation into president clinton. so paul, last time we spoke, you talked about cass si idy hutchi and you said her testimony was crucial. now we hear she's cooperating with the doj and it appears that their case is rapidly gaining steam. paul, is there any doubt at this point that this now i

and you see in the scene president trump saying to try to listen to john eastman. listen to john. listen to john. and eastman has this memo think it's constitutional and legal for pence to essentially walk up on january 6th and then walk away. so this is president trump having a pressure campaign of his own vice president and using the legal conservative community and his allies there, the political committee, allies on the outside like judy only -- rudy giuliani and steve bannon, all listings are happening behind the scenes and that's what matters in the reporting as much or probably more than just president trump sitting there on january 6th watching tv. >> that's faceting. let's talk for a minute about vice president pence. whom president trump urged to listen to eastman. he says it's legal, he says you can do it. ultimately, the vice president decides based on the legal advice he is getting that no, he couldn't just throw out the votes. meanwhile, i believe it was senator lee who had come have taken it on himself to call the election officials in some of the states and learned

now i will say this about john eastman-- he was a consensus builder. >> do you know if mr. or mr. morgan-- is it morgan-- viewed about that, thought about that, mr. eastman's advice? >> yeah, they thought he was crazy. i know for a fact they heard both say that his theory was crazy. >> i said, "you're completely crazy." >> that was certifiably crazy. >> stephen: yes, john eastman got a rare 100% on crazy tomatoes. they-- ( laughter and applause ) that's how you can tell if someone's crazy. they do this. the committee also heard from former federal judge and william shatner melting on a hot sidewalk, j. michael luttig. judge luttig is one of the most widely respected conservative legal scholars in the country and today, he laid out the stakes of this attempted coup: >> the foundational truth is the rule of law. that foundational truth is, for the united states of america, the profound truth. but it's not merely the profound truth for the united states. it's also the simple truth. the simple, foundational truth of the american republic. ( laughter and applause ) >> stephen: ag

the authors report on a two-page memo drafted by john eastman john eastman is a conservative lawyer whoking for trump's legal team it amounts to a blueprint for a coup nbc news has later obtained the memo it outlines how pence was to have disrupted the certification of the electoral college results and handed the election to trump. trump tells pence this about eastman, "you really need to listen to john he's a respected constitutional scholar. hear him out listen listen to john." >> seth: he is not a respected constitutional scholar no respected constitutional scholar would ever be caught dead working for a famously corrupt idiot like donald trump. trump gets all his lawyers from bus stop ads and tv commercials. "hey, you want to do a coup? call eastman and giuliani. we don't have a phone number, but you can find us at our office in the woods at central park [ laughter ] even though the cops are always hassling us. we need a permit for a desk in the park now alright. [ laughter ] and even in advance of today's hearing, we kept getting more and more details about the scope of this coup a

the subpoena to john eastman describes what he told some members of the georgia legislator. at that hearing, john eastman provided testimony which he advised lawmakers that they had both lthe awful authority and a duty to replace the democratic party's slate of presidential electors, who have been certified as the duly appointed electors for the state of georgia, after the november 2020 election, due to unfounded claims of widespread voter fraud within the state. also included in the trump lawyer group, targeted with subpoenas today are attorney cleo mitchell, and join donald trump on his tape phone call a georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. kenneth chesebro, an attorney who helped create fraudulent georgia electors, attorney jen ellis, and attorney and podcast host, jackie pick the set. senate lindsey graham's for making history by testifying to a criminal grand jury is, july 12th. next tuesday. the same day that the january six committee has scheduled its next hearing. joining us now is michael j. moore, former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia. h

that's communications he has with the president, not with john eastman. as well as those other people. presumably we have seen this time and time again, we saw the lawyer for mike pence and others. there's a little bit of an ax to grind for the people who are on team anti coup on team coup that is happening in that white house? >> yes, and they did. they fought hard and did a nice job of that narrative on cipollone. there were lawyers close to bill barr, they did feel that trump, the impeachments were unfair, the mueller investigation was outrageous, and i really believe that, but all of them were stunned about what he did between election november and january six. i'll say again, we talked about this chris, john dean testified about crimes committed by the president. john dean tweeted this afternoon that basically cipollone's legal advice to the president can remain confidential but there are other facts. dean found a way to testify about witnessing the president committing crimes in the oval office, so possibly pat cipollone did today as well. but we ju

we're going to learn a lot about what john eastman is doing and thinking and saying. the other thing that can be really valuable about communications records is we know what other people were saying to him. so, people like ginni thomas or mark meadows or others, we may be able to find their communications on his devices as well. and those also can be very candid. those can also open the door to avenues of inquiry or lead you to other people. sometimes someone is speaking and talks about yet another person and then you can get those communications records. so, they really are a very important piece of any investigation. >> barbara, wednesday's court filing was signed by thomas wyndham, who's overseeing key elements of the january 6th probe. he was at the courthouse on the last day marc short testified before the grand jury. give us the big picture view here of what the doj's latest moves communicate to you about where they are in their probe at this point. >> and i know you said there was even a couple weeks ago a lot of people were frustrated, it seemed the committee

maer mind john eastman, the trump campaign lawyer, jenna ellis.ni possesses unique knowledge concerning himself, president trump, and the former trump campaign. the january 6th committee also hammering the georgia secretary of state to find the 780 votes. they testified the grand jury will join us here on "the beat" exclusively. the january 6th economy looking at the role the extreme. i groups played in the insurrection. the next hearing will focus on the connection between these groups and trump world. roger stone was spotted with proud boys january 6th outside the hotel, the so-called legion of doom insurrection headquarters. and it revealed mark meadows wanted to go as well. >> is it your understanding they set up what was called a war room at the willard hotel on the night of the 5th? >> i was aware of that the night of the 5th. >> do you know if mr. meadows ever intended to go to the willard hotel on the night of the 5th? >> he had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with secret service on a maxt from the white house at the hote

one area of interest was the 2021 oval office meeting where john eastman pushed pence in mr.rump's presence to either reject the electoral votes outright or suspend the proceedings and ask several state legislatures to re-examine the results. the journal also reports prosecutors had detailed questions about rudy giuliani who forwarded to mr. pence's office, letters from state legislatures urging mr. pence to certify false slate of elects from states that trump actually lost. okay. so who should be concerned that the federal prosecutors were asking these questions and what laws might apply? >> i would think that eastman, the lawyer, should be nervous. i would think that the former president should be nervous, giuliani should be nervous. you know what occurs to me, john, as you're reading from the journal. i think of the federal judge, bill clinton appointee to the extent that matters, david o. carter from california. remember, he's the one in the spring who wrote a level opinion relative to john eastman and whether he was going to have to make a production of documents he said

john eastman and the fake elector issue and what mike pence might know about it could certainly be whaty are looking at or one of the things they are looking at, to be very careful about this, chuck. >> that's right, i think it's a fair presumption they're looking at the fake elector theme. if they signed to represent the vote total and they weren't certified, that could be a false statement. that could be simply put a fraud. a subject in doj parlance, lingo, is somebody within the scope of an investigation. i would assume mr. eastman is among the subjects. we should learn more in the coming months. >> we do have breaking news now. kristin welker, bring us up to date. the president's doctor, who has not appeared in the briefing room, that is protocol when the president is ill with anything in the past, but in any case, he issued another update. talk to me about that. this is in letter form. >> reporter: that's right. he has been issuing these daily letters to update people on the status of the president. let me read this to you. there are a couple of significant developments. president

>> so john eastman, first of all, is one of the crucial drivers. here he's the attorney who has good credentials on paper. however, he came up with this absurd legal theory. that essentially pence could draw out whatever votes he wanted to. seemingly, was the only senate lawyer who seemed to think that was a reasonable legal theory. in fact, there's testimony, eastman himself admitted he knew that theory would lose 90 in the supreme court. and whenever fly. so the question, don, i think you're getting. that is how should they show just donald trump's knowledge? i think that piece of testimony we just saw from ronna mcdaniel. i think that's the one and best piece of testimony. it's not a slam dunk. that donald trump was made directly aware of this plot, and it's illegality. i think prosecutors will be focused on that piece of testimony. if you are prosecuting, or investigating. you're looking for more, is there other evidence that trump was aware of this plot? and was aware of the illegality? >> there's nothing to do with calling georgia, and all of

. >> let's talk about the john eastman memo. heard about it? >> just breathtaking that you would have laid out such a clear game plan that so clearly violated the constitution. >> the eastman memo detailed a six-step plan for pence to throw the election to trump during the january 6th certification. it also called for pence to throw out all electors from seven states. and gavel president trump as reelected. eastman has since publicly tried to downplay his memo and his role in attempting a coup, but he told a very different story in recent undercover video from a progressive activist. >> so giuliani and me met with 300 legislators on january 2nd via a zoom conference call. and they all spinelessly wouldn't do anything. >> and in appearances in past right wing media. >> are we to assume that this is going to be a climactic battle that will take place this week? >> it depends on the spine of the individuals involved. >> would that be a nice way to say a guy named vice president mike pence? >> yes. >> this level or corruption can't

clear indication that they are seeking to determine if crimes took place in the oval office by john eastmanpotentially by donald trump as well. >> potentially by donald trump? >> absolutely. >> so that's really the question, if you have eastman admitting that something is illegal and he wants to proceed with it and you have folks testifying to that, where's the line to donald trump? >> i mean, it's a very clear line and a clear path. we're here having a conversation, right? those conversations were in the oval office, what were you thinking at the time? number one, what were the steps leading up to the insurrection? what were you doing with state officials, et cetera? what was your ultimate plan? you're now pushing back on the vice president who has a constitutional duty and obligation, you have lawyers telling you, sir, this is not how it's done. this is not permitted. this is not what the constitution or any statute provides for. so i think it clearly gives you an indication what the president was thinking and that gives an indication what the federal prosecutors do, it's about state of m

so i think he could have a lot to say about john eastman now i can't say anything about what pat cipollone said during his private interview with the staff of the committee but i will say that i don't think any good lawyer thinks that this so-called eastman theory which is the vice president can unilaterally decide the outcome of the election is correct and pat cipollone is a very smart guy and a very good lawyer so i would expect that he would contradict the theory that john eastman was espousing i think the big question that cipollone might be unwilling to answer is did he express that you directly to the president and that is something i think he will be pressed on tomorrow and we don't know if he will answer it or not. >> finally on that point john, it will be videotaped tomorrow and it will be transcribed we have already seen how the hearings have gone where prior videotaped testimony from bill barr, evocative trump and the like and those people that appear in person, it is played and it is broadcast at these hearings. do you think the same thing will happen here or is there some chan

when he did so, he said that john eastman knew that his plan was a violation of federal law.ch. >> so during that meeting on the 4th, i think i raised the problem that both of mr. eastman's proposals would violate several provisions of the electoral count act is. mr. eastman acknowledged that that was the case, that even what he viewed as the more politically palatable option would violate several provisions, but he thought that we could do so because in his view the electoral count act was unconstitutional. and when i raised concerns that that position would likely lose in court, his view was that the court simply wouldn't get involved. >> pence's lawyer saying that trump's lawyer knew that what he wanted pence to do was against the law. "the wall street journal" adds this about short and jacob's testimony before the grand jury. quote, prosecutors also asked detailed questions about rudy giuliani, who forwarded to pence's office letters from individual state legislators urging pence to accept false slates of electors claiming trump won from states he actually lost. those fal

and john eastman acknowledged that his plan would likely violate the federal law. the electoral count and would likely lose 9-0 in the supreme court. the reason that's important, if they knew the plan was illegal, that could be to criminal intent. >> that's such a good al gore argument. i hadn't heard that. so let's talk about the slate of fake electors. we've heard about that in bjork. >> this is something we know the justice department is looking the at. the way this is supposed to work, is that after each state votes, they fill out this ceremonial paperwork where they say we the state of georgia, for example, here by award our electoral votes to joe biden. you can see it on the left where these 16 electors signed their name. but rudy giuliani engineered this seven-state plan to submit false slate of electors who claimed they had been properly elected for donald trump. this covered seven states. we know that rudy giuliani was the coordinator. this didn't just happen organically independently, it all flowed through rudy giuliani. we know the committee has looked a

today subpoenas went out to rudy giuliani, john eastman, and senator lindsey graham, among others, as fulton county's investigation into the trump campaign's efforts after joe biden's legitimate election win. joining us now, former federal prosecutor, tali farhadian weinstein, an msnbc political contributor, matthew dowd. tali, how is this, what's happening in georgia, differ from what the january six committee is doing, and i have to ask, yes, on its surface, subpoenas to eastman, lindsey graham, rudy giuliani, sounds big. but any chance they are going to comply? >> yes, it doesn't just sound big, stephanie, it is big. we are at this point at least two years into watching and in some cases, speculating about whether donald trump is going to be held accountable. either in law, or in politics. and i've always thought that he's had the most exposure in fulton county, georgia, and i am more convinced of that today. because these subpoenas really are significant. and they are through the criminal process. that is very different from a political committee. not that january six committee do

let's dig into the importance of john eastman. you talk about in a moment ago, he was a key player in the fay collector plot. there was his testimony about rnc chairman, ronnie daniel. >> would president say what he called you? >> essentially, he turn the call over to mr. eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc. helping the campaign gather these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges changed the results. more, helping them reach out and assemble them. my understanding is that the campaign to lead and we weren't helping them, in that role. >> ellie, does the doj have to determine if the scheme was at trump's direction? or, that eastman is operating on his own? >> john eastman, first of all, is one of the crucial drivers. he is the attorney who has good credentials on paper. however, he came up with this absurd legal theory that penske throw out whatever votes he wanted to. seemingly, it was the only sentient lawyer who seem to think that was a reasonable legal theory. there is testimony

john eastman, the f. b. i seized him as he was leaving an apartment in new mexico grabbed his fault and i'm sure they're downloading and examining the files on that phone. and then they went after jeffrey clark at dawn, routed him out of his house in his pajamas and search the whole house and seized all his electronic devices. those are pretty full loops. and it also, in order to get those search warrants that the federal government had to persuade a federal judge that there would be evidence of crime the probable cause that there would be evidence of crime discovered through them searches. so to be that suggests that the department of justice is moving more aggressively than it sometimes supposed. let's get back to the committee because it did bring together lots of information, lots hours of testimony, many puzzle pieces, as you already said. but there is still something missing, right? it's still not all that easy to build a case against donald trump on what has been collected by the january 6 committee.

well, central john, california has already found that it's likely that john eastman and donald trump together, conspired to obstruct the execution of the of the election law and the vote on january 6th. we already have a federal judge, and in fact it's pretty obvious that that was the intent of a former president. trump was to prevent the vote from being certified on january 6th. and it almost succeeded because there was for supply. so the january 6 committee, every time they present new evidence, there's more and more the time for president trump to into that conspiracy not to overthrow the government, but to prevent the vote either 1st of all, to put pressure on vice president pans. and when that failed to then interrupt, and let me point out, they very came very close to succeeding because if the secret service had taken pants away from the capital as they plan to do that would have halted the county because they need the vice president. they're all prevented that is pants refuse to get into the secret service vehicle? so the plan came very close to 60 and in that respect, just ve

john eastman, the f. b. i seized him as he was leaving an apartment in new mexico grabbed his fault and i'm sure they're downloading and examining the files on that phone. and then they went after jeffrey clark, it dawn, routed him out of his house. it is pajamas and search the whole house and seized all his electronic devices. those are pretty ball loose and it also, in order to get those search warrants, the federal government had to persuade a federal judge that there would be evidence of crime the probable cause that there would be evidence of crime discovered through them searches. so to do that suggest the department of justice is moving more aggressively than it's sometimes supposed . let's get back to the committee because it did bring together lots of information, lots hours of testimony, many puzzle pieces, as you already said. but there is still something missing, right? it's still not all that easy to build a case against donald trump on what has been collected by the january 6th committee . is t

for instance you talked about recently obtaining permission to go into john eastman's phone and to take look at what is inside of that, that means d.o.j. will have to use what is called a clean team or a group of prosecutors that won't be involved in prosecuting any substantive cases but look at information and work with a special master or judge and make sure that the folks using that evidence in a case don't properly oversee anything that should be cloaked in privilege. >> and joyce, help us understand this latest reporting about the justice department investigating donald trump's actions. that is not the same thing as criminally investigating donald trump himself, is it? explain the distinction, please. >> this is a very fine line that i think even as prosecutors we sometimes are maybe not as precise when we explain this, as we should be. d.o.j. looks at conduct. it investigates potential crime. something that you never do as a prosecutor, is say for instance, let's go get donald trump, right? we are not a country that believes in the lock them up approach to criminal prosecution. we

conservative trump lawyer john eastman and others.now rudy giuliani is right next to him and the scheme was that the vice president could single-handedly block the election from being certified. reminder again, the vice president does not have that power. witnesses would testify that president trump was told that the plan was illegal, but he pushed for it anyway, and even trump's own white house counsel, pat cipollone, well, he knew that. >> i thought that the vice president did not have the authority to do what was being suggested under a proper reading of the law. i conveyed that. i think somebody in the vice presidency said just blame me. i'm not a politician. i'm a lawyer. this is my legal opinion. i think the vice president did the right thing. i think he did the courageous thing. i think he did a great service to this country, and i think i suggested to someone that he should be getting the presidential medal of honor for his actions. >> eastman and others tried, albeit unsuccessfully, but they tried to secure presidential pardo

another was john eastman. you've written that eastman's theory that he could determine who the next president of the united states is, is in your words, incorrect at every turn. could you please explain briefly your analysis? >> there was no basis in the constitution or laws of the united states at all. where the theory espoused by mr. eastman at all. none. >> even after eight hearings that is still one of the most memorable ones with the committee's third public hearing and our next guest john wood leading the questioning of conservative judge michael luttig who he previously clerked for was the investigator of the january 6th committee helping build their case publicly and privately including the disgraced ex-president's pressured campaign against his vp and a self-described life-long republican and they served the republican committee vice chair liz cheney and served as senior counsel. today he's running as an independent for his own race to prevent what he describes as a dangerous republican candidate from

when you couple that with what you heard from john eastman, that the committee not just interested in what they found on eastman during a search of him a couple of weeks ago but that they are now specifically seeking access to his cell phone. that shows exactly where the department of justice is headed and it couples with what mart guardland told nbc this week, that it is not just about the riot itself but also the attempts to stand in the way of the peaceful transfer of power. and that just shows how serious things are getting in the department of justice. >>> perspective now from harvard law professor lawrence tribe, coauthor of "the power to end a presidency." i want to get to the criminal probe in a moment. what are your thoughts on former secretary of state mike pompeo potentially sitting for an interview with the select committee. >> it's clear that the select committee is interested in why there was discussion within the cabinet of invoking the 25th amendment, which would essentially have sidelined the former president. that amendment is there only for purposes of removing from

the new york times is reporting that people working with john eastman's face electors conspiracy, actually referred to the people they were enlisting as, as fake electors. the times reports, quote, in emails reviewed by the new york times, and authenticated people by people who worked with the trump campaign at the time. when lord involved in detailed discussions repeatedly, use the word fake to refer to the so-called electors, who are intended to provide vice president mike pence, and mr. trump's allies in congress a rationale for derailing the congressional process of certifying the outcome. and lawyers working on the proposal, made clear that they knew that the new pro trump electors they were putting forward might not hold up to legal scrutiny. >> we would just be sending in fake electoral votes to pence, so that someone in congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the fake votes should be counted. jacqueline, shake a phoenix-based lawyer who helped organize the pro trump electors in california, wrote in an email to boris epstein, a strategic

john eastman was providing legal advice. how much legal advice is within the ambit of just taking a shot and how much is actually encouraging someone to violate the law. those are very hard questions that need to be resolved. but the way you resolve those questions is by collecting evidence. and that's hot they're doing. and once they have collected enough evidence, they'll decide if there's a prosecutable case. >> let me follow up with laura. as this investigation clearly inching closes and closer to the former president, would trump be mistaken to think another presidential run could offer him at least some protection from legal consequences? >> yes, he would be mistaken. remember, the sort of unspoken rule and one that is part of the justice department, is to not put their thumbs on the scale of an actual upcoming election. not wanting to somehow influence voters by having the notion that one is guilty by virtue of being in the court of public opinion and having that presumption of innocence not mean a lot to voters. but

that includes john eastman, who according to testimony to the january six committee admitted that is legal theories aimed at keeping trump in power would be rejected 9 to zero by even trump's supreme court, and jeffrey clark who tried to implement his own mini coup at the justice department, and dr pepper connoisseur sydney powell, who claim the election was stolen by china, or maybe by the deceased dictator of venezuela, and at one point tried to get trump's defense department permission to seize computer service in germany. and of course, rudy giuliani, who's election related antics have gotten his law license taken away in new york and d. c., and whose electronics have already been seized in a separate investigation. today, our friend joyce vance, writes that among all the strands the justice department is investigating around january 6th. quote, there is one thing they should prioritize, bad lawyers these announced an unscrupulous advisors, might help lead investigators to those culpable for the big lie, and january 6th insurrection, join us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorn

vice president's aides, greg jacob, who was with pence during the insurrection, sent in email to john eastmanaid thanks for your bull, we are now under siege. >> eastman fired back, blaming the riots on the vice president and his staff. >> they broke through, it's on. >> eastman responded by saying it was the vice president's fault and mr. jacobs fault for the, quote, siege. >> he said if you would have done what you could have done, if you would've gone forward, this would be happening to you right now. >> the conversation you had with your wife, you've been off to war before, having conversations with loved ones. was it like that? >> i never really had a sense that i may not survive this. there was a real sense that if they are in the capitol complex, and they've already overrun 2 to 3 lines of police barricades, there's nothing else to stop them. it was an emotional conversation. it was nothing i've ever had before. i hope to never have that conversation again. >> we have two young kids and i didn't want to alarm my wife. at the time, it felt like anything was possible. you are seeing the

that includes the conversations he may have had with john eastman, rudy giuliani, and others. so, this is something that the critics of the attorney generals office have said for sometime. garland has always said that nobody is above the law and to be patient. this is now the time where we see him actually taking steps that a lot of people have been asking him to do for sometime. including, i should say, members of the january 6th select committee. >> ryan, another question for you. what more are we learning, if anything, about who has spoken to the investigators about what is happening at the doj? >> so, what we know is when you have somebody like marc short and you have somebody like greg jacob, these are inside players inside the white house and in the west wing in the days leading up to january 6th. and they are the ones who can talk specifically about the pressure campaign that was put on mike pence. and that pressure came directly from donald trump. and i can just tell you from my experience covering the january 6th committee, when short and jacob broke through, and when

one is that the fringes version of this theory put forth by john eastman who is now facing you know,tion. is that, state legislators can basically do whatever they, what they say they have plenty of power, absolute power, to basically say, going, from the voids who just elected joe biden in the state, no, we are not doing that. and then the kind of softer version of that was the job hollies and a ted cruz's, who sort of dressed up the coup in this fringe theory, that's what, we'll state legislators and state courts particularly, made all kinds of changes to the time place and matter of the elections were had, because of covid, that is a legitimate, we want to strike the votes. but those were arguments on the fringe of coup and insurrection. that are pretty related to what the plaintiffs are trying to do here. >> yeah, so as you know chris, and much of your audience knows, i was involved in litigating more than 60 cases against donald trump and his allies. in the post-2020 period. and this independence day legislative theory came up time and time again, and court at the court, democra

the other testimony includes at that meeting john eastman was told the plan was illegal, and he kept pushing it. >> right. so it clearly seems that is where the question line would be. and if you look at these two gentlemen, marc short and greg jacob, these are two men who do not wish the former president ill. they are not -- they're in the line of republican allies of this administration who simply are following the rules of the subpoena, were subpoenaed to testify, and there are others and we'll learn that. the takeaway as evan was saying, this shows the justice department and merrick garland, for all the criticism from the outside, they're not doing enough. they are doing more than we know. we don't know what the next steps are, but we do know there is this investigation going on that might be just behind the january 6th committee but it is actually they have learned a lot. maybe he was appearing in the hearing a month or so ago. maybe they're a month behind, six weeks behind. this program, if you will, is continuing into the fall. so it is significantly a huge development. we don

has obtained a search warrant to go through the phone of former election lawyer for donald trump john eastman. eastman was one of the chief architects you remember of the plan for then vice president mike pence to overturn the 2020 election. he wrote that infamous memo and spoke at the stop the steal rally on january 6. eastman's phone was physically seized on june 22nd. but federal investigators tell a judge they obtained a second warrant on july 12th to search its contents. the filing comes in response to efforts by eastman to stop investigatored from quote rummaging through his phone arguing the initial warrant was too broad and risked the disclosure of privileged information. speaking of the efforts to overturn the election, jonathan lemire, let's get to your book, the big lie, out this week. and to say republicans and states across country introducing and passing legislation limiting access to ballots based on something that didn't happen. so saying there was all of this fraud in 2020, we have to make new laws to prevent it next time when there wasn't fraud to begin with and this is some

cipollone thought john eastman's theories were nutty, something he would not refute. >> we received testimony from various people about this, jason miller, a campaign, said that thought he was nutty and one point confronted eastman with the same sentiment. >> i don't have any reason to contradict what he said. >> on january 4th, john eastman went to the white house to meet with the president and vice president. mr. cipollone tried to participate in this meeting but he was apparently turned away. >> you didn't go to the meeting in the oval office where eastman met with the president and the vice president. do you know -- do you remember why you didn't personally attend? >> i did walk to the meeting and do go into the oval office with the idea of attending the meeting but ultimately did not attend the meeting. >> why not? >> the reasons -- >> were you asked to not attend the meeting or personal decision not to attend the meeting? >> again, without not getting into -- greg jacob, the vice president's counsel, stated mr. eastman acknowledged he would lose 9-0 if the legal theory were challenged i

cipollone thought john eastman's theories were naughty. something mr. cipollone would not refute. >> we received testimony from various people about this. that one was jason miller, who was -- said that -- passable any thought the idea was 90. at one point, -- the same sentiment. >> i don't have any reason to contradict that. >> on january 4th, and john eastman went to the white house to meet with the president and vice president. mr. cipollone tried to participate in this meeting, but he was apparently turned away. >> you didn't go to the meeting in the oval office where easement went to meet with the president. do you remember why you didn't personally attend? >> i did walk to that meeting, i did go into the oval office with the idea of attending that meeting. ultimately, i did not attend that meeting. >> why? not >> the reasons for that -- >> were you asked not attend the meeting or did you make the personal decision not to? >> again, without getting into -- >> recall that greg jacob, the vice president's counsel stated that mr. eastman acknowledged

meadows might be joining john eastman on jetsoned island and the former president has begun distancingself from eastman claiming he barely knew him. three unnamed sources told the magazine that trump's legal team advised the former president not to discuss eastman in order to limit potential legal exposure. meadows did try to overthrow john baron as speaker in 2015 and would meadows do what he did back then getting down on bended knee begging trump for mercy? meadows is in this situation because of the committee, full stop. the committee's work has been so thorough, revelatory and explosive that it sometimes feels like they are showing the department of justice how it should be done so what's taking so long? why isn't the doj out front? according to the "new york times" the shocking testimony of cassidy hutchinson jolted top justice department officials into discussing the topic of mr. trump more directly. at times in the presence of attorney general merrick garland and deputy attorney general lisa monaco. one of the most prominent and well-respected prosecutors in the country andrew w

he talked about a meeting with john eastman. john eastman is of course the architect of the whole plot to have mike pence refused to certify the election. i think a lot of like could be shed their. his meetings with members of congress, i think that could be very interesting. what was the plan there? members of congress on board to refuse to certify the election. affinity events of january 6th. because he was the one in the room with donald trump and running to try to make him stop and call people off, i think he likely possesses information unknown to everyone else, and so i think there's probably a lot of information that we're gonna see. >> renato, here is what john would, is a former senior investigative counsel for the january six committee, had to say about sarah matthews on this network earlier this week. watch. >> i expect her to be a very credible witness. she's very young but she had an important role within the white house. i lead the interview as you said, conducted by the staff and i found her to be very credible, s

senator lindsey graham and former trump adviser john eastman amongst others. the grand jury is investigating trump's efforts to overturn the election results in georgia. sara murray has the details on that. >> reporter: a special grand jury in the atlanta area investigating whether donald trump and his allies committed any crimes in their efforts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia is escalating its activity and it is getting closer to donald trump's inner circle. court filings show that the grand jury wants to hear from a number of folks close to donald trump's inner circle including his former attorney rudy giuliani, south carolina senator lindsey graham and a handful of other legal advisers who advise the trump campaign in 2020. among the folks they want to talk to are folks that are pushing the fake elector scheme, people like john eastman, people like kenneth chesebro, he was pushing forward the fake elector scheme. rudy giuliani went before georgia state lawmakers, he made a bunch of conspiracy-ridden claims. it is unclear whether or not they will c

. >> cipollone also pushed back against donald trump's former lawyer john eastman, laying out the scheme to overturn the election on january 6th. >> he was communicated to me that pat cipollone thought the idea was 90, and at one point, confronted eastman with the same sentiment. >> another donald trump's own sour son-in-law jerry and kushner confirmed in sworn testimony that cipollone threatened to resign multiple times during this period, as trump and his allies adored his protest and continued to plot the coup. on january 6th, cipollone was in the white house desperately trying, according to testimony, to try to stop the insurrection. >> i see pat cipollone barreling down the hallway towards our office. he rest right, in looked at me, and said, is mark in his office, and i said yes. i remember pat saying to him, something like the rioters have gotten to the capital, we have to see the president now. mark looked up at him, and said, he doesn't want to do anything, pat. pat said something to the effect of, and in very clear terms, that -- he said this to mark. something to the effect of

you heard about seized electronics from a former attorney, john eastman. now they're honing in on the fake electors scheme in seven battleground states. that's a lot of ground to cover. which case, in your mind, stands out to you the most as potentially the most significant legally? >> laura, they're all significant legally, and the amazing thing about this is this is how cases are built. you know, it's easy to forget that 800 people or so have been charged with crimes here. but the way it works is that -- and this was in sara's piece -- there's violence. there's unrest. something happens. it gets investigated by the justice department. they start talking to those people, bringing them in, getting some to cooperate, and moving not just up the chain but almost around the jungle gym so to speak. so you end up around the country in states like michigan and arizona. so it's hard to say there's any one that is the alarming one other than the fact that they all suggest a lack of faith in institutions in america and led to people acting out. >> well, speaking of