can't judge him for that. ( laughter and applause ) now i will say this-- i will say this about john eastmanwas a consensus builder. >> do you know if mr. clark or mister... morgan? is it morgan? --viewed about that, thought about that, mr. eastman's advice? >> yeah, they thought he was crazy. i know for a fact they heard both say that his theory was crazy. >> i said, "you're completely crazy." >> that was certifiably crazy. >> stephen: yes. john eastman got a rare 100% on crazy tomatoes. ( laughter ) they-- ( laughter and applause ) that's how you can tell if someone's crazy. they do this. ( laughter ) the committee also heard from former federal judge and william shatner melting on a hot sidewalk... ( laughter ) j. michael luttig. luttig is one of the most widely respected conservative legal scholars in the country. and today, he laid out the stakes of this attempted coup: >> the foundational truth is the rule of law. that foundational truth is, for the united states of america, the profound truth. but it's not merely the profound truth for the united states. it's also the simple truth. th

and then about the conduct that she had been possibly having conversations with john eastman, about this scheme, essentially, to have these false slate of electors come and they would be who were sent to washington, d.c., to vote in favor of donald trump. that is not something that has ever happened, that is not how the process works, and while he was pushing also mike pence, john eastman was, to overturn the will of the people, and kind of say, you know, no, i'm only accepting this slate of electors. again, nothing something that worked. again, not something that worked. the last line of defense for them. and having ginni thomas, someone who had extreme access to the people that were very involved in this process, it is really important. and to hear what she has to say, and they have been talking about these kind of things, we've seen in every one of these hearings, all of these coverages, and as soon as someone hears something new, chairman bennie thompson has said over and over, they are willing to continue to follow this where it leads. this is possibly running out of time with the e

even john eastman's brief -- john eastman himself filed a brief on behalf of the clermont in suit constitutionalas well. >> okay. that's important. the eastman theory was out past even the realm of this sort of radical position here. but it would -- if enough of the court worked to side with the north carolina republicans here and with leonard leo's group, what would the applications before american democracy? >> first they would be pretty dire even putting aside the potential for election subversion. it means that states supreme courts couldn't apply the state constitution to limit the state legislature from violating peoples voting rights. it would empower two bodies. one, it would empower state legislatures that could run roughshod over election administrators over all state actors. so, they would be empowered. and the other it would empower is the united states supreme court. because it would turn every dispute about what an election law means in the state, as applied to the federal election, into a federal constitutional question. and the ultimate arbiter of that is, of course, the u.s. sup

ginni thomas was in close coordination and in touch with john eastman at that time.ink it's a relevant time period, and we plan to ask questions about it. >> you perfectly set up my next question which is about the legislation that passed the house i believe yesterday, co-sponsored and coauthor by so lofgren. i believe it got nine republican votes. the republican leadership against it. it was condemned by the ex president, not surprisingly, since it was the law that he was going to try to use. how should people understand both what it does and the fact that you can only get nine republican votes to shore up the law against possible future coups? >> we are trying to ensure another insurrection doesn't happen. and the only individuals on the other side of the aisle are nine of them who -- none of whom are serving in the next congress. so we appreciate the bravery and coming up -- putting up that vote. but none of them are gonna be there next year and that shows how strong of a hold kevin mccarthy and the republican leadership has on his conference. and it's unfortunate

new justice department employee named ken who according to the committee was also working with john eastmann the election. the letter mirrored some of eastman's unconstitutional theories. the letter mirrored some of eastman's unconstitutional theories. >> would create chaos in the states. that would be disastrous for our country and constitution. >> wasn't that the point of the letter to create the cast? >> i think so, yes. >> disturbed by the letter, donohue wrote quote, this would be a grave step for the department to take and it could have tremendous constitutional, political and social ramifications for the country. >> i had to make it clear to him there was no world in which i and certainly the a.g. were going to sign a letter like that. >> rosen and donohue met with clark later that evening. >> i do remember the very end saying to him, what you are proposing is nothing less than having the united states justice department meddle in the outcome of an american presidential election. >> but again, jeffrey clark ignored the direction of justice department leadership. he continued to claim

warrant before you take my property. >> both jeffrey clark and john eastman have had their phones seized motivated, and eastman fought the doj's search warrant in court. but there are state-level investigations as well. rudy giuliani has been informed he's a target in a georgia investigation. >> we will not talk about this until it's over. >> and appeared before a grand jury in august. at the moment perhaps the most perilous investigation for donald trump has nothing to do with the attack on the capitol. >> former president donald trump's mar-a-lago home in florida has been searched by the fbi. >> the investigation that at the moment seems most directly threatening to donald trump is the one into his handling of classified documents and taking documents to mar-a-lago with him when he left office. >> the government has recovered more than 320 classified documents from trump's home in florida. the redacted search warrant identified three federal crimes that the department of justice lists as the foundation of its investigation. obstruction of justice, criminal handling of government record

see pat cipollone and philbin in front of the grand jury in d.c., you see your former counsel john eastmanh in fulton county, do you think that those investigations are getting closering, tightening the loose around donald trump? he has to be the target in those investigations. >> i would say for eastman and clark in particular, those are two attorneys that had very direct conversations with trump. they were giving trump advice. if they ultimately decide to flip and provide information that essentially indicates a crime was being committed and they provide that information to the justice department, then it could really be something. trump is thinking they're his attorneys, he's going to be candid with them in ways he's not with others. he's facing multiple fronts. the documents case, fulton county, this clark eastman probe in d.c. there's a lot that he is facing right now. >> renato, not to make you johnny on the spot, but i am. we are now getting breaking news right now from the january 6th committee. the committee wants to hear from newt gingrich. former republican, speaker of the house

it's also worth noting john eastman once clerked for clarence thomas.ay, ginni thomas' attorney released a statement saying, she answered a lot of the committee's questions as she told the committee, her minimal and mainstream activity focused on insuring that reports of fraud were investigated. beyond that, she played no part. >> joining me is former assistant watergate prosecutor. thank you, nick. this is so unusual. i can't even name the wife or spouse of any other supreme court justice ever in history. this woman has been a longtime right wing activist, and she seemed to have been actively involved including emailing her husband's former clerk, john eastman. what do you make of all of it, and what do you think the probative value of talking to her might have been? >> it's hard to say what the probative value is going to be. my big question is, who asked her to call these legislators in wisconsin and arizona to get them to basically vote in these fake trump electors? you know, that's my big question. that's the part that is really concerning. she cou

that's going to be bad news for a lot of people. >> john eastman, of course, the lawyer working on behalf of president trump to make really the case try to make the case to overturn 2020 election. so unfortunately, we're out of time. michael yaki, thank you so much for spending a few minutes with us tonight and appreciate it as always. >> thank you, vicki and grant. thank you, michael. some great insights. have a >> still to come, a beloved a's player is hang up the spikes. when we return, we'll take a look at stephen votes. amazing career. and michelle obama coming to the bay area will tell you when and where. have you seen my new phone yet? it like, folds in half. i would never switch to samsung, i love my phone. what??? ♪ (...it folds in half.) you see i love my phone. i would never switch to samsuuu... (gasping) ♪ >> the man from marin county has become the first person to travel alone in a kayak from california to hawaii under his own power. pretty remarkable cereal completed the 2400 mile plus journey this week after a 91 day voyage that started in june in may of 2020, the remote te

the committee appears to be investigating her conversations with john eastman.anuary six chairman bennie thomas told reporters she still believes the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump. nearly two years later thompson also said the parts of her testimony could make to the next committee hearing that hearing was of course supposed to be held yesterday but was postponed because of hurricane in. we now believe it will be held sometime next month thompson says it will not be delayed until after november's midterm elections number of democrats are locked in high stakes races to protect the future of american democracy all talk to one such democrat, georgia senator raphael warnock. next. ♪ ♪ away suitcases are designed with 360-degree spinner wheels. ♪ ♪ so you can go with the flow. ♪ ♪ plan a didn't work out? get plan b one-step. plan b helps prevent pregnancy before it starts, and it won't impact your ability to get pregnant in the future. find it yourself in the family planning aisle no prescription, no id. i've got this. ♪♪ >> after leaving a trail of dest

the committee appears to be investigating her conversations with john eastman.ly january six chairman bennie thomas told reporters she still believes the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump. nearly two years later thompson also said the parts of her testimony could make to the next committee hearing that hearing was of course supposed to be held yesterday but was postponed because of hurricane in. we now believe it will be held sometime next month thompson says it will not be delayed until after november's midterm elections number of democrats are locked in high stakes races to protect the future of american democracy all talk to one such democrat, georgia senator raphael warnock. next. ael warnock. next e capped. for seniors, insulin will be just $35. families will save $2,400 on health care premiums. energy costs, down an average of $1,800 a year for families. and it's paid for by making the biggest corporations pay what they owe. president biden's bill doesn't fix everything, but it will save your family money. worker's comp was about 20% of my total e

she was in communications with john eastman. what the committee is most interested in, because they view him as one of the intellectual architect of the plan to overturn the election, and in effect, steal the election. and remember, those text messages to mark meadows, she said she had been in touch with jared kushner, and she even recommended cindy powell as a lawyer in the efforts to be the election. those four hours could've covered a lot of ground. we don't know everything, it was a closed-door hearing, we don't have a transcript in front of us. but we are getting a good sense of what was asked and answered. >> the wife of a supreme court justice is testifying before the committee investigating the insurrection, that committee gained access to some of its most fruitful evidence because the supreme court voted 8-1 to give them access to the ex- president's records. her husband is a low dissent. so at a minimum, it's a perception problem for the united date supreme court, and one we need to be aware of. she seemed unbothered b

she can provide context into what efforts she was doing, what information john eastman told her, whatnformation she provided him. who else she interacted with on his behalf and vice versa. it can flesh out the picture more. they're not going to get into what she discussed with her husband, that's marital privilege but this will flush out a factual record of what the spouse of a supreme court justice was doing to try to overturn the election. >> it's been a busy 24 hours, bradley, we thank you for helping us understand it. thanks. >>> a new report this morning finds there are more cancer survivor in the u.s. than ever before. dr. sanjay gupta joins us with the promising data. >>> there have been more than 500 head coaches in nfl history. only 24 have been black. a new investigation by "the washington post" dives into the hurdles that these coaches have faced and still face getting and keeping their jobs. >>> we'll take you live to puerto rico where communities across the island are working desperately to rebuild after hurricane fiona. you go by lots of titles. veteran, son, dad. -it's

john eastman is under investigation.- the fake elector's plot is the plot and he put it on paper. he seemingly acknowledged its illegality in conversations with lawyers that already testified. her work in crafting the messages to get lawmakers to carry it out, to overturn the will of the voters in their states, is that something that could come under criminal scrutiny? >> i think it is under criminal scrutiny. my expectations when we see the interview is that it's going to be more of a wimper than a bang. you read some of her text messages and it seems like she is a cheer lead eastern can you imagine mark meadows rolling his eyes and saying crazy aunt ginni is e-mailing me again. the details she is aware of are right at the center of the critical steps if you believe the evident we've seen. and the evidence is suggestive. and a supreme court justice's wife is in the middle of that, has to get everyone to sit up and take notice. >> i want to pull that throughout a little further. she sent messages to lawmakers giving them

. >> there is one other lawyer who seems to be th is fairly advanced, w john eastman.se it was not working for the government. he essentially called himself a counsel to the president. we know he was intimately involved in the highest echelons of coup potting, of pressure on pence. he as well, right, has been subjected to searches -- we believe, subpoenas -- and i wonder if you're reporting indicates that that investigation is as developed as the clock one. >> some of the reporting indicates that part of the reason that they -- obtained information from john eastman was related to this investigation of jeffrey clark. so, i do think that there are a lot of pieces that overlap. but clark is certainly somebody who they have been scrutinizing for longer. they have obtained more information about and it is going to be interesting to see what happens to him. it is also interesting to see what happens because when you take a big step back, and look at the january 6th investigation in its totality, there are a lot of people who are talking about the fact that they think that d

john eastman, of, course trump lawyer who wrote the comey, mostly called for mike pence to throw outesults of the 2020 election. mason also has had his phone seized by the feds. we are also learning that former new york city police commissioner bernie kerik, the guy who promoted a number of ludicrous false election fraud claims, he was there at the infamous landscaping for president. he was subpoenaed today, along with trump's social media director and advisor, dan scavino. now reports of a new series of doj subpoenas first broke last week, it appeared as though and we reported on this program, they were largely related to shady fund raising tasks by the trump campaign. the calm campaign says super packed races a quarter of a billion dollars for legal challenges, for funding that never even existed. but now, we've got the sort of full picture of all the subpoenas that have been sent out, at least the ones we can track. the latest revelations revealed investigation may be more closely wing to the larger investigation into the attempted coup itself and the january six than we first tho

it was rudy giuliani, sidney powell, john eastman -- there was a whole cabal of people around the president who made a serious plan, involving serious lawyers, not saying serious things, but to try and stop the peaceful transition of power in this country. i sit on the intelligence committee, so every day i take my watch off, i take my phone out of my pocket. when i look at classified information, it has the markings that all of america got to see all of america got to see. s out of that -- if i take those documents out of the sicf, -- scif, i will get in trouble. the idea that there was highly sensitive documents sitting on a carpet -- that is absolutely mind blowing. host: the former president told hugh hewitt he ahad -- he has absolute right to declassify arguments. guest: your viewers can decide whether trump is a paragon of truth like george washington, but his lawyers are not making that argument. there is no doubt in my mind, given that his lawyers are not making that argument, that, that probably did not happen, host: we go to new jersey, carol is on the democrats' line. caller: my

and when they do that, they're fighting against people like john eastman who are saying you're tryingforcement function of the department of justice, to which the house is quite recently saying no, we have a legislative purpose here, it is fact finding to inform further legislation. if they cooperate with the department of justice, they're undermining their own fact finding efforts. last night they told a judge in california they want all 600 new emails from john eastman to complete their investigation and to be able to write their report. now, on to the political. this committee has repeatedly said to the american people we are just trying to get to the bottom of this. we want to know the facts. and they built some goodwill with people who originally didn't necessarily buy the narrative that donald trump and higher up in the tramp campaign and in the trump white house were directly involved in the planning and execution of january 6th. they don't want to squander that goodwill but cooperate welcome the department of justice and appearing for the president leading up to the election.

specifically about her interactions with trump allies mark meadows and john eastman. there will be another january six hearing next week ahead of the committee's full report. and possibly a criminal referral for the former president. the guy who thought it was cool to dress like hitler and verbally assault capitol hill police officers, he's had for four years in a federal prison. also, by a trump appointed judge. i don't mention trump judges here to say that makes them somehow more virtuous. no, it shows the system is actually working. the institutions of this country is working. they took oaths to uphold the law to -- they're doing that even when donald trump has and still is at every turn indicating that he thinks laws and truth, an honor, are for suckers. donald trump praises vladimir putin for his strength and mirage created by state run media, security thugs, but tonight, in russia, russians are saying, we don't want to die in your war on ukraine. it is easy to scare people into submission, until they think you will kill them or kill their children anyway. and th

the language sounded a lot like a memo written by trump lawyer john eastman.nd behold, days later we learned that ginni thomas and john eastman were in fact corresponding. that was according to three people that were involved in the investigation. being conducted by the house january six committee. now, we have a new reporting from the washington post that ginni thomas was not just sending emails to lawmakers in arizona. the post reports that she was also sending those emails to lawmakers in a second battleground state wisconsin. according to emails obtained by the post other state public records law. nbc news has not independently verified the new reporting. but the post says that under thomas nor -- when we need answers to what ginni thomas is referred to simply misconceptions in an interview with the daily caller back in june. because even as new cycles flow and focus change the truth still matters. it matters that the wife of a supreme court justice was promoting a ways to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election. the very same supreme court justice who r

the fake electors schemes as well as her conversations with trump lawyer john eastman about his largerse things have been major themes of committee hearings that we've seen so far, but now we're expecting them to be able to have more answers around what ginni thomas' role was in this. when our sources tell us this is an interview that's coming in the coming weeks, what happens just under a week from now is the committee's first and potentially only hearing of this fall before they issue their interim report and that will of course be the precursor to their final report, wrapping up all of the threads that they have teased out publicly as part of this over a year-long process of interviewing what happened on january 6th. so ginni thomas just one piece of that. as they move forward, we know there's not going to be witnesses on next week's hearing, so ginni thomas is likely to be part of that story but not the central focus. >> there's still so much information for the committee to gather, ali, thank you. >>> this morning markets are still reacting to the federal reserve's move to hike in

was anymore coordination, as you noted we know she was in touch with not only mark meadow, but john eastmanveral months ago the two were e-mailing with each other. and i think at this point, the committee probably has materials they are going to want to ask ginni more about that potentially will be chalking for her to try to dodge that question since they have so much hard evidence at this point. >> a lawyer for ginni thomas has said that she was concerned about the future of our country under president biden's leadership, but nothing she did was illegal. they deny she had any role or information about the january 6th attack. and again, it's important to note john eastman once clerked for clarence thomas and he was the only justice to dissent when the supreme court ruled that former president trump could not withhold presidential records from the january 6th committee. but at least privately from the folks you talked to, are there republicans who believe those texts and e-mails were a mistake. do they see this testimony as problematic? >> i do think that ginni thomas is interesting in that

as well as federal and state investigators, joy, including this whole fake electors plot that john eastman others cooked up. and there doesn't need to be any overlap between the two. the rule of law going back to the supreme court case of 1943. you can have multiple different conspiracies. prosecutors just need to prove one. and at this point, donald trump is facing many, many different investigations into many conspiracies. >> yeah, absolutely. and just one last note for you, senator jones. so chris kievs, the guy who got $3 million up front, he was smart to get his money because trump doesn't usually pay his lawyers, he got there 3 million retainer to lead trump's legal team. he's now not the leader. what do you make of the fact he's essentially been demoted after they decided who they wanted, they picked judge dearie as they choice to be special master, and turns out, surprise surprise, he's a real judge. and he's acting like a real judge. and he's not helping them. >> well, you know, look, i don't think it's any surprise that donald trump doesn't have immediate positive results and whe

>> okay, brie, thank you for the update >>> former trump lawyer john eastman pleaded the fifth amendment during an appearance before a georgia grand jury investigating interference in the state's 2020 elections he also invoked attorney-client privilege during the testimony the january 6 hearings reveal that he pushed for vp pence to overturn the election despite knowing the plan was illegal >>> president biden is echoing his 2020 message in prime time tonight. he will deliver a speech at independence hall in philadelphia on a battle for the soul of the nation he will lay out the progress made over the past two years but note that rights and freedoms are still at risk. mr. biden takes the stage at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >>> now to the dire emergency unfolding in jackson, mississippi. families forced to wait in long line for bottled water with no end in sight for the water crisis our morgan chesky is there >> reporter: in jackson, mississippi, bottled water disappearing just as fast as people's patience. >> i've been in line almost maybe an hour. >> reporter: one case per car, for a crisis hit

meadows after the 2020 election urging the white house not to concede defeat and she sent emails to john eastman about the fake election scheme to overturn the election results >>> and president biden is slamming vladimir putin over his invasion of ukraine and most recent threats of nuclear retaliation as russia mobilizes 300,000 more troops for its war. kristen walker reports >> reporter: president biden on the world stage at the united nations delivering a stinging rebuke of russian president putin and his war on ukraine >> russia has shamelessly violated the core tenets of the united nations charter we will stand in solidarity with ukraine. >> reporter: the president slamming russia's attacks on schools, hospitals and train stations and alleged war crimes. >> whoever you are, wherever you live, whatever you believe, that should not -- that should make your blood run cold. >> reporter: and responding to putin, who just hours earlier appeared to threaten the west with a nuclear strike. saying in a rare televised address those trying to blackmail us with nuclear weapons should know russia has lo

some of the reporting indicates that part of the reason that they -- obtained information from john eastman to this investigation of jeffrey clark. so, i do think that there are a lot of pieces that overlap. but clark is certainly somebody who they have been scrutinizing for longer. they have obtained more information about and it is going to be interesting to see what happens to him. it is also interesting to see what happens because when you take a big step back, and look at the january 6th investigation in its totality, there are a lot of people who are talking about the fact that they think that donald trump could be indicted any day now, which is contrary to any reporting that i have. >> yeah. >> but keep in mind there are not yet really firmly links between a lot of the activity and donald trump. and especially for something like the plan to endorse fake slates of electors, what you would kind of need as a prosecutor, in general, just in cases like this in general, is a prosecutor, you want somebody who is involved, to say, that somebody else involved directed them. so, it's not clear

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the january 6th committee is asking for thousands of more emails from trump lawyer john eastman. eastman is the man who came up with the far-fetched unconstitutional false theory that then vice president mike pence could block congress' certification of joe biden's election win. the house select committee told a federal judge it needs another 3,200 3,200 pages of his emails to complete the report by the end of this year. earlier i spoke with committee member congresswoman liz cheney for a new cnn documentary that's airing this sunday, i asked cheney about another part of their investigation, the role that violent far right militias played in the capitol attack and possible communications between those militias and members of the trump orbit. >> the justice department has indicted several members of the proud boys and the oath keepers, these far right militias for seditious conspiracy. we understand they were inspired and incited by trump and thought they were doing what he wanted. but there seems to be some missing pieces. i know some of that is because flynn took the fifth. plead

an important threshold in june when we learned they took the cell phones of jeffrey clark and john eastmanil that date, it wasn't certain that the department -- at least there were no public signs that the department was investigating anything other than the violence at the capitol. once they crossed that threshold, i think there's no other path forward than what we're seeing now, which is first subpoenas, and people coming before the grand jury, and ultimately the department having to make a decision on whether to bring an indictment. >> so we're talking about all of it here. the state of america pac, it's the fake slates of electors, is the pressuring election officials. all this is on the table for the doj investigation. >> yes. and one of the important things to remember is that there's a number of potential witnesses in subjects, almost 40 people who received subpoenas in the last few days. i don't think we should believe that's the end of the department subpoenas. it's probably just the beginning. these are probably subpoenas for documents. you'll see grand jury subpoenas coming, and

the committee has emails between her and trump's election attorney, john eastman. techs between her and mark meadows where she urges him to continue fighting to overturn the election again. we are talking about the wife of supreme court justice. how do you navigate this? >> i mean, i think if you are the committee, you simply don't worry about who he's married to. the question, was the she help coordinate sort of the fake electors scheme and use her authority, whether that came from simply her marriage, or simply because she is so high up within the gop and within the sort of mega wind of the gop. did she utilize that authority to try and convince state electors? that, to me, is a relevant on sort of who her spouse is. she is an independent woman who was doing what she was clearly on lawful to anyone who looked at. it and, clearly undermined the peaceful transition of power. so, who someone spouses, i would, hope for the january six committee would actually be irrelevant. she was using her own personal authority to do this. >> thank you juliette, thank you jennifer

processes, that judge carter i think said it very well when he indicated that president trump and john eastman not violate the law. so know what you take our effort to reform the electoral count as an indication that donald trump didt not violate the existing w or did not violate the constitution. but i think congress has really important set of duties and obligations, but if you elect people who don't respect the guard rails of our democracy or people don't respect the ruling of the courts, then trying to somehow, trying to prevent fundamental assault on the republic becomes very difficult. we depend upon people of good faith in these offices and i think we've seen a that certainy more than ever before over the last 18 months or so. >> i was a right-handed pitcher in baseball so my tendency is do this, but over here, please. >> please, right here. he shares my hairstyle. >> first thing, thanks for your courage. john kennedy said there's a reason profile in courage is a slim volume. you have a chapter in and that matters a lot. i wanted to ask you, for a lot of people where donald trump has go

even john eastman said it was illegal. it passed the house. >> a but majority of the republicans voted against it. if you vote against this, what are you for? >> it is interesting, rodney davis the ranking member of house administration committee basically said that the system worked. right? so i guess the riot was okay. i mean, i know that davis was not in favor of the riot. but to say that the system worked without change when we had that kind of riot and an ex-president who whipped people into a frenzy by lying to them, that is just dumb. and, you know, the republican leadership whipped against the bill. i think it is very unfortunate, but it is a bipartisan bill and of course there is bipartisan work in the senate to also do a bill. there is a lot of overlap, there is a few dissimilarities. but i'm confident that we can bridge what few gaps there are and come up with a good strong bicameral, bipartisan law that will make our country safer and i hope that we can do that in the very near future. >> the republican leaders

her outreach extended to trump lawyer john eastman who supported the pressure campaign on vice president and after all the behind the scenes maneuvering and cajoling, ginni thomas, the wife of a sitting supreme court justice attended the rally. like i said, there will be a lot to talk to ginni thomas about. meanwhile in, a separate investigation into january 6, this one courtesy of the department of justice, something curious happened today outside the d.c. federal courthouse. eagle eyed nbc reporters saw three trump lourz leaving the white house around the same time as the lead january 6 prosecutor. now we do not know why trump's lawyers were there. but jackie allamany reports tonight they were there present in their capacity representing trump regarding the january 6 investigation. joining us now is ryan goodman, former special counsel at the department of defense, co-editor and chief of just security and law professor at nyu. great to see you, professor. first of all, ginni thomas willingly going to meet with the january 6th committee. you are surprised? are you shocked? >> i'm totall

people like remember, john eastman, he's the lawyer who served as architect of trump's plan to sort ofesults. he's weighed in. the rnc has weighed in asking the supreme court to adopt this. the rnc takes a more narrow approach. what we're seeing now is the court looking at this case and really maybe changing how elections are done going forward. it's a big deal. it's going to be argued this fall in the backdrop of the mid terms. >> so timely at this people. arianne, thank you for reporting. >>> is the movement of migrants from border states to states up north legal? we'll discuss. >>> several stars like falling on stage. for real. how they're doing this morning ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (vo) with their verizon private , associated british ports can now precisely orestrate nearly 600,000 vehicles passing through their ukort every year. don't just connect your business. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence. okay season 6! aw... this'll take forev—or not. do i just focus on when things don't work, and not appreciate when they do? i love it wh

but another overlapping thought was pushed by trump lawyer john eastman, the former clarence thomas clerk, who republican senators touted for his really interesting research, where he pushed behind those random, and he was pitching entire state legislators toss the voting results for biden and just steal their entire state for trump. one memo pitching this as a state getting to quote choose who won, and saying that trump would win, and they would name the electors. they also sometimes called it a quote legislative override of the whole election. and we now know another republican was texting trump's aide also in november, encouraging the state legislatures to do that plot. and then mark meadows, that top chief of staff to trump at the time said quote, i love it. now, at the time, giuliani's long line of briefings to state legislators did seem to many like another desperate direction and reduced to pr. the memos weren't public then. now it looks different. now it is clearly a part of an organized written coup conspiracy getting local republicans to go toss the votes. and if the other paths

there were at least two lawyers who work with trump who have had their phones seized, epstein and john eastman. so a lot of the ability of the justice department to get to information may hinge around this fight. >> and i know you will be covering this fight for sure. thank you so much. we appreciate it. joining me is former white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. you're a former lawyer, you also worked in the trump administration. you can provide unique insight here. do you have think trump's attorneys have a case here? >> thanks for having me. probably. it's very unclear. there's a bunch of different privileges here. the attorney/client privilege is different from executive privilege. attorney general is harder to overcome. the executive privilege is very murky. it's not clear as to whose privilege it is to invoke. folks, when i went to go testify before the january 6th committee, the committee got a letter from the biden administration waiving executive privilege for me. i think your previous interview just did a raeally good job of explaining a lot of the variables. p pat cipollone and p

federal investigators going to court, getting a warrant in a similar way that they had when they got john eastman, the little-known conservative lawyer's cell phone, the guy who was advising trump that he could essentially tell pence who to pick for who should be president next. and it just shows that several months ago there were major questions about whether merrick garland and the justice department were going to do anything. people were sitting around saying why is it that we have these january 6th hearings? we're hearing all those developments. what is the justice department doing? well, here we are, seeing some pretty aggressive moves by the justice department in a wide-ranging january 6th investigation. that's looking at the fake elector scheme, the money that was raised. so, you know, not insignificant at all. >> basic housekeeping question, maybe you know the answer, maybe you don't. 40 subpoenas, 40 different individuals. 40 different sets of lawyers. some of these people, i would assume, don't have a lot of money. i mean, some of them might be out of work. who is paying for the lawyers

everything from trump's call to georgia, to any discussions trump might have had with john eastman to discussions on the day of the january 6 insurrection and including trump's decision or lack of decision to -- to try and stop the effort from happening, to call up the national guard. so meadows will be a significant witness. this is the prosecution of steve bannon coming home to roost which is to say that meadows along with other folks have seen there will be consequences for going too far into defying the department of justice. and as you said, he does have a good lawyer. so he's going to try to walk as fine of a line as he possibly can. >> okay. so we got that investigation and then we have the ongoing documents investigation. and the special master decision to come. where is this all going to land? obviously doj is looking for a little, you know, urgency here. they've planned out the 11 circuit court of appeals if they did not respond today. >> there is a sense of urgency. at least in part because they don't want this litigation playing out too close for the election for fear of b

a key ally involved in the scheme john eastman testified wednesday before a fulton county grand jury according to his attorneys. eastman stood alongside former trump attorney rudy giuliani as they fired up a rally of trump supporters on january 6 just before the riot. giuliani has already testified but no details have been disclosed about their testimony. >>> now to a truly inspirational story from the world of sports. after losing badly at wimbledon and hinting at a possible retirement, tennis superstar serena williams is moving on to the third round of the u.s. open. she beat the world number two on wednesday night. williams says she is playing well because she loves the challenge, she doesn't have anything to prove and she has absolutely nothing to lose. >> i just feel like i have had a big red x on my back since i won the u.s. open in '99. and it has been there my entire career. because i won my first grand slam early in my career. and so -- but here it is different. i feel like i've already won, you know, figuratively and mentally. and it is just really awesome the things that i

can you think of them, all it be with their fraud, randos and another plot was pushed by john eastmane former clarence thomas clerk, who senate republicans touted for his really interesting research where he pushed beyond the randos and he was pitching state legislators toss the votes for biden and steal the entire state for trump. one memo pitching this as the state gets to choose who won saying trump would win and they would name the electors. they also sometimes called it a legislative override of the whole election, and we now know another republican was texting trump's aide encouraging the state follow through. at the time giuliani's long winding briefings to state legislators did seem like another desperate misdirection or it was reduced as pr. the memos weren't public then. now it looks difference. now it's clearly part of an organized written coup conspiracy getting local republicans to go toss the vote and as other paths narrows, the white house was working on a coup through this elector fraught with a clear path of stealing these and now meadows says he was working on that a

the committee has been seeking her testimony regarding her communications with lawyer john eastman, he2020 presidential result. how will her testimony be helpful to the investigation? will it be helpful? >> well, jonathan, that remains to be the same. but certainly, i am very interested in what she has to say because the bit of information we have about her text messages with john eastman, with mark meadows, it tells us that she was both, a, a connector in this world, very much invested in the big lie, and secondly, that she had access, you know, to all these people, that is worth saying in and of itself. and, i think that this is going to be particularly awkward, we know that she and her husband seemed to be close advisers of each other and it may well raise some questions about what went on between the two, how much he was aware, how much she was aware of what was going warm during all these events. >> jill, i have a question for you that is also related to your pen. it is about the classified documents that were seized from mar-a-lago, luckily the justice department will be able to

we've heard from members who say they want to hear about the exchange with john eastman. l going on, john. >> appreciate the update on that. ana cabrera and d john berman pk up our coverage about hurricane ian and its devastation across florida. e trillion dollars in sustainable finance by 2030. because it takes everything to reach zero poverty. ♪ ♪ your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delirs quality candidates matching your job description. visit deed.com/hire now available without ne a prescription.y. asteo is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. for adults with generalized myasthenia gravis who are positive for acetylcholine receptor antibodies, it may feel like the world is moving without you. but the picture is changing, with vyvgart. in a clinical trial, participants achieved improved daily abilities with vyvgart added to their current treatment. a

emails that they have pertain to efforts to overturn the election results and conversations with john eastmantion and the architecture of the course of the course of the investigation that they want to talk to her, and finally the opportunity as it comes that they are about to be back in the public spotlight and just about in under a week to do the public hearing, and it is information that we have not heard or seen, and that the threats that are leading to the violence that day are still current and real in this current state of democracy. >> and that is set for september 28th. we will of course carry it live. >>> and now, in an effort to clarify how electoral votes are submitted by the states and then counted by congress and prevent future attempts to deny the election by manipulating the process. the democrats were joined by nine republicans most all of whom voted for trump's impeachment, and none will be back in congress including the vice chair and sponsor of the bill, co-sponsor of the bill liz cheney. >> our bill confirms what the existing constitution makes claim, the vice president h

the january six committee, including this story about the advice that he gave who memo author john eastman after january six. >> i only want to hear two words come out of your mouth from now on, orderly transition. i don't want to hear any other effing words come out of your mouth no matter what other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. >> what did he say? >> eventually, he said, orderly transition. he said, good john, now i will give you the best free legal vice you would ever get in your life, get a great effing criminal defence lawyer, you will need it. and then i hung up on him. >> we don't know if herschmann is quite so tough when he is actually in the midst of a conflict situation, but you can imagine how the baseball bat of justice might have delivered the message to donald trump that he was violating the law and had to get documents back. but, it was surely a familiar scene for donald trump. throughout the ex president's life and career, his impulse is always, always, to do sketchy and unlawful things, to cut corners and get away with stuff while the lawyers around h

when he indicated that, you know, president trump and john eastman more likely than not violated thelaw. so no one should take our effort to reform the electoral count as any indication that donald trump did not violate the existing law or did not violate the cons ties -- constitution. but congress has a really important set of duties and obligations but if you elect people who don't respect the guardrails of our democracy or people who don't respect the rulings of the courts, then, you know, trying to somehow -- trying to prevent fundamental assault on the republic becomes very difficult. we depend upon people of good faith in these offices and i think we've seen that certainly more than ever before over the course of the last 18 months or so. >> i was a right-handed pitcher in baseball so my tendency is to do this. over here, please. yeah, please, right here. he shares my hairstyle. >> pete of the trinity forum. first, thanks, liz, for your courage. john kennedy said there's a reason pro files in courage is a slim volume but off chapter in it and that matters a lot. rep. cheney: th