that's rudy giuliani, that's john eastman.ved of the overall strategy and some of those others like mike romans another example, they executed the strategy that was devised by somebody else. >> andrew weissmann, i have to thank you my friend. we kept you much longer than you original agreed to. you're gracious to be my anchor buddy with us. having a really great former prosecutor sitting right here is so great to have. thank you very much, my friend. i appreciate you. >>> we are keeping tim and vaughn. they aren't going anywhere. we have so much more on this. i'm going to give bernie back his phone while we take this very quick commercial break. we'll be right back. break. we'll be right back. clogged gutters can cause big problems fast. until now. call 833-leaffilter today for your free gutter inspection. i've had terrible flooding problems on my porch. now i understand why. right now leaffilter is offering a free inspection, on your schedule. leaffilter is a permanent gutter solution, so you never have to worry about costly

the washington port status post report they are mark meadows, rudy giuliani, jen alice, john eastman and christina bob. boris epstein and -- mike roman. the defendants are charged with conspiracy, fraud and forgery, all felonies. for scheming to prevent the lawful transfer of the president keep unindicted co-conspirator one in office against the will of arizona voters. unindicted co-conspirator one, is donald trump. all of this comes as trump already faces 88 criminal charges across four jurisdictions. he is currently on trial in new york facing 34 charges related to election interference and business record fried. tomorrow morning, the supreme court will be hearing arguments in his immunity case, were trunk claims he cannot be prosecuted by special counsel jack smith in the federal january 6th election case against him. joining me now is -- von hillier. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment. first of all, set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays annou

welcome to the le, let's start with what we just heard about john eastman. does he have a strong legal argument when he claims that being his lawyers, his livelihood and he needed let's to be able to practice law to pay his bills. i >> don't think it's a particularly strong legal argument. it's possible that the courts will have some sympathy for him. it's possible to predict how they will resolve it but i don't think this is sympathetic argument at all. i mean, this man was a very bad lawyer and he did a very bad job and quite possibly the highest stakes setting we could imagine in the run-up to january six. and on january 6 he really shouldn't be practicing law and i don't know where matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene had been looking for lawyers, but he is definitely not the only competent lawyer that they can find. there are many, many more we know of two other former trump attorneys who have taken plea deals in that fulton county case to avoid trial. sidney powell and kenneth chesebro you interview johnny's been last year do you think his financial s

jen ellis, john eastman, all attorneys around the president. and of course referring to to them specifically, here the foreign president is identified as coconspirator, unindicted coconspirator number one, pretty specifically in the indictment, it says used to be president of the united states. and so more will come out here as we learn where the prosecutors will go with this, abby. >> yeah, certainly. and look, it's not because they're kind of protect these people. they just haven't been served yet. that's why we don't have their actual names in the indictment. elliot williams. thank you very much joining me now, we've got an 18 of experts on kush kadoorie, kaitlan collins is here with us, bradley mosques and carry cordillera as well on kush this is obviously now a little bit delayed. actually, frankly, i mean, we are now in 2024 this was back in 2020. this stuff occurred on top of that you've got in michigan and in arizona unindicted people who really are at the center of this is the system working in your view or is this? something else? >>

the other seven individuals, the like of john eastman, rudy giuliani. christina bobb are redacted because they have yet to be served. these are individuals that were tougher targets here and part of a greater conspiracy. she could have focused on the 11 electors but kris mayes clearly intended to target and make it clear that this conspiracy was not only a threat to the 2020 election, but also the 2022 election and potentially future elections and clearly made the decision to proceed. and if i may, what is notable about her indictment here is the fact that she specifically out lines the fact that she contends that the 11 electors as well as the other seven who are indicted as well, that were trump attorneys or trump campaign officials they intended to deceive the arizona voters. i just want to read part of this. defendants deceive the citizens of arizona falsely claiming those votes were contingent on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. in reality, defendants intended that their false votes would encourage pence to reject th

we know about sidney powell and john eastman, who just got disbarred.uliani, who is obviously not in very good position. how the mighty have fallen. but the point of this interview and doing it with univision was about latino support and making sure that he sure is that up and he is down -- it was up 29 points with latinos the first year in office and that edge isd crime. he is doing better on them but obviously got ground to make up, and it's interesting that this came out yesterday and we have the ruling taking us back to 1864 in arizona about abortion because latino votes in nevada and arizona are what are going to be really crucial there. 57% of hispanics say abortion should be legal in all or most cases and donald trump is out there defending his stance of, you leave it to the states -- she did say today i won't support a federal abortion ban. he said before that he supports a 15 or 16 week man so i don't know if you will be consistent with that. the democrats are going to make that a centerpiece of this conversation, as they should. yeah. >> greg:

epstein, former trump campaign white house official mike roman, jenna ellis, christina bob, and john eastmannd trump legal adviser in the aftermath of the 2020 election. these are very real charges, of very real crimes, allegedly committed at the highest levels of the trump campaign and the trump white house. trump himself is charged in george's indictment. seven states with fae collectors were nevada, arizona, new mexico, wisconsin, michigan, georgia, and pennsylvania. as we said, we have seen charges in four other states, now. all seven of these states are key battleground states that could be decisive in this year's election. joining me now is ryan j riley, justice reporter friend he and the author of "sedition hunters, how january 6th broke the justice system." here's the thing. that george indictment is so detailed, it has text, communications that go beyond georgia, to pennsylvania, to michigan, to arizona, the information is not new to us. the degree to which this was a sophisticated effort to overturn democracy is clearer and clearer with each indictment. >> it's true. even in the su

i love your reaction to john eastman and jeffrey clark facing disbarment. could that impact your defense in the georgia case? >> it would affect their defense if they were to take the stand, and if they were to testify. anything they would say under oath publicly could be used against them in a later criminal case, which is why you are seeing them, i think, wisely take the fifth and not speak to avoid exactly that problem. >>> turning to trumps gag order in new york, do you expect the judge to close the loophole that made it possible for trump to attack the judges and family members? >> i don't. the terms of the gag order have a carveout, so, they are allowing for criticism of the court, of the judge, as well as of the district attorney. the gag order really tracks the same gag order that was upheld by the dc court of appeals in the january 6th case in dc. so, by carving out those entities, in addition, it also carves that family members of those entities. i think you will see the judge confirmed that family members of the judge, and family members of the d

john eastman had designed it and these are all lawyers who knew better.g something well in case we win one of these audits, at least we will have a slate of electors, into fake electors who lied and said we are the real elect yours and tried to get their names submitted contrary to the law. >> reporter: the numbers are really what this is all about. it reminds me of this quote back in the day talking about january 6 and how a lot of the rioters who showed up were morons, as he described them, but there were 15,000 of them. that is sort of what the danger was and when you have all of these individuals who might be clownish and rudy giuliani having that ridiculous press conference. there are millions of americans willing to believe those lies and i think having those numbers and having people, you know, who actually got law degrees at one point, willing to do this effort, is really what makes this dangerous. >> ryan, always great to have you on the show. thank you. ryan j. reilly is nbc news justice reporter and author of a remarkable book called sedition h

these other seven individuals, the likes of john eastman, rudy giuliani, christina bobb, that are still rejected in this indictment because they have yet to be served here, these are individuals that were for targets here in part of a greater conspiracy that is outlined by chris mays. this investigation we reported on this last summer and clearly she had easier targets. she could have focused on the 11 electors. chris mays came into office in january of last year and clearly intended to target and make it clear that this conspiracy was not only a threat to the 2020 election but also a 2022 election and potentially future elections and clearly made the decision to proceed and cast a wider net. what is notable about her indictments here is that the fact that she specifically outlines the fact that she contends the 11 electors, as well as these other seven who are indicted as well, that were trump attorneys or trump campaign officials, they intended to deceive the arizona voters. i want to read part of this. "defendants deceived the citizens of arizona by falsely claiming those votes were

rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, christina bobb, trump campaign official boris epstein, and former white house official micro man. trump was not charged but described as unindicted co-conspirator one. it's an investigation that's spanned more than a year. here is arizona's attorney general, kris mayes. >> i know today didn't come fast enough, and i'll be criticized by others for conducting this investigation at all. as i've stated before and will say again today, i will not allow american democracy to be undermined. it's too important. >> arizona becomes the fourth state to file criminal charges against the so-called fake electors that sought to undermine president biden's victory over trump. joe, we saw the video there. they also signed a fake certificate that they posted to social media. i mean, they were breaking the law, pretending they were the state's electors when they weren't. joe biden had narrowly won, broadcasting exactly what they were doing, and now the bill has come due. >> you know, i'm -- i'm not a prosecutor. we have plenty of former prosecutors on, and we'r

what has happened to john eastman is an abomination. highlighting other abuses of people around trump to suggest trump is guilty of the crime isn't persuasive to me. host: you've advised mr. trump in the past. are you still in contact with him? guest: i won't say it one way or the other who i talked to about >> i'm the dean of georgetown university and i'm delighted to be here with you to introduce our two afternoon panels. in keeping with the objective if -- of the conference i'm particularly delighted that we are a proud cosponsor of this event. you heard earlier this w

they include rudy giuliani, mark meadows, attorney john eastman, and christina bobb. republican national committee senior counsel for election integrity. the indictment makes references to those affiliated with trump but does not name them. arizona's attorney general says the names will be unredacted after each is served. the indictment. >> arizona's election was free and fair. the people of arizona elected president biden, unwilling to accept this fact. the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. >> the indictment does name 11 alleged fake electors accused of submitting a document to congress, falsely declaring that trump had won arizona. the charges include fraud, forgery and conspiracy. trump is named as unindicted coconspirator one in the case, which claims trump and his allies schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. see, the trump campaign calls the indictment another example of democrats weaponization of the legal system. trump was also named an unindicted coconspirator in m

the indictments include trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, and attorneys rudy giuliani and john eastman. trump is described as an unindicted co-conspirator. the indictment names several republicans who submitted a document to congress falsely declaring that trump won arizona. >>> and the pro-palestinian demonstrations are spreading to college campuses nationwide with some schools cracking down. from southern california to texas, clashes broke out between police and students. more than 100 have been arrested, and students in other campuses set up encampments while protests at columbia university have until the end of today to break theirs down. cbs' jarred hill is here with the latest. a lot to cover. good morning. >> good morning, anne-marie. yeah, a lot to cover with this one. the students at columbia university, according to the school, have made some promises regarding making those encampments more open and welcoming to other people, but they say they're not leaving until their demands on met as the momentum of this movement continues to spread. protests continued into the night at t

what is pro-trump attorney john eastman, who used to be a clerk of thomas. how does he play into all this? well, he he is in the process of >> being disbarred and he is also a defendant in this in the georgia case he the he is facing consequences. it is unclear to me whether ginni thomas should face any legal consequences, but even if she was just exercising her first amendment rights, which she certainly has the right to do. it gravely implicates her husband in a conflict of interest that is just so obviously egregious. but as i said, no one can do anything about it unless thomas himself decides to recuse himself, which he clearly will not do because they granted certiorari in the case. he participated in that decision. so he's obviously going to participate mass decision supreme court justices talk about chernova collegial friendship feeling among justice. or do these people hate each other? >> they do >> not hate each other. i mean, there is a culture of niceness at the supreme court, perhaps to a fault. stephen breyer, who just retired. he's written a bo

associates easily identifiable from the description of their actions in the indictment are attorneys john eastman and john ellis, trump aide boris epstein, christina bobb and trump campaign operative mike roman. the indictment says, "defendants and unindicted co- conspirators schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency to keep unindicted co-conspirator one in office against the will of arizona's voters. this scheme would have deprived arizona voters of their right to votes and have their votes counted. the defendants voted for then donald trump and vice president mike pence on december 14, 2020, falsely claiming to be duly elected and qualified electors for president and vice president of the united states from the state of arizona. defendants deceived the citizens of arizona by falsely claiming that those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. in reality defendants intended that their false votes for trump/pence would encourage pence to reject the biden/harris votes on january 6th, 2021, regardless of the outcome. the scheme fa

democracy what is currently unfolding and happening to people like president trump, jeff clark, john eastman and a whole slew of other people. you can disagree with the legal conclusions of others without wanting or needing to weaponize the judicial system to destroyer opposition. i think that is a dangerous precedent being set right now. and i think it should be talked about more in the press. i think joe biden should have to answer for this that the courts are being used for de facto run interference operations against the top political opposition for the next presidential election. that is a huge story that i do not think it is getting fairly covered. host: one more time. mark has been waiting for a while in florida. no ahead, you are on. caller: good morning, you've have contradicted donald trump at least twice since i have been listening to you. donald trump was quoted as saying there is systemic racism in the united states, and i -- guest: you are absolutely right and i did contradict. let me correct this. donald trump is right there is systemic racism and it is being implemented throu

donald trump's former lawyer john eastman has been disbarred in california for his role in trying toelp trump overturn the 2020 election. a california judge wrote in her ruling, "eastman's wrongdoing constitutes exceptionally serious ethical violations warranting severe professional discipline." eastman is a former law school dean at chapman university school of law. in educational news, pitzer college in claremont, california, has closed its study abroad program with the university of haifa in israel in what's being viewed as a major victory for the bds -- boycott, divestment, and sanctions -- movement. the move comes after years of student organizing and a vote in february by pitzer's student senate to suspend all institutional ties with israeli universities. according to the national chapter of students for justice in palestine, pitzer has become the first u.s. school to impose an institution-wide boycott of an israel study abroad program. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman in new york, joined by

i saw a claim that life and able to piece together and pretty sure came from john eastman with 16,002 pickett votes in nevada. this is a pattern. all the numbers were hyperinflated because the people who did the analysis didn't understand what they were looking at and they didn't understand how to make >> your book, "disproven." it is your turn to ask questions and have ken block respond. he is our guest this morning. before we get to calls, which states did you focus on in this book? guest: georgia, arizona, nevada, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. host: in point pleasant beach, good morning to you. caller: i have seen you on tv. there is nothing you can say about the seven states you are talking about, they changed their laws unconstitutionally. you cannot tell me that is not right. rudy giuliani had affidavits from poll workers and the judges didn't take them up, they said they lacked standing. you keep cutting the same foods, to get the same number. they were questioning the validity of the votes. that is what happened. host: please hang on the line and listen to the response. g

i saw a claim that life and able to piece together and pretty sure came from john eastman with 16,002 pickett votes in nevada. this is a pattern. all the numbers were hyperinflated because the people who did the analysis didn't understand what they were looking at and they didn't understand how to make >> your book, "disproven." it is your turn to ask questions and have ken block respond. he is our guest this morning. before we get to calls, which states did you focus on in this book? guest: georgia, arizona, nevada, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. host: in point pleasant beach, good morning to you. caller: i have seen you on tv. there is nothing you can say about the seven states you are talking about, they changed their laws unconstitutionally. you cannot tell me that is not right. rudy giuliani had affidavits from poll workers and the judges didn't take them up, they said they lacked standing. you keep cutting the same foods, to get the same number. they were questioning the validity of the votes. that is what happened. host: please hang on the line and listen to the response. g

fake certificate and sent it to washington, d.c., these other seven individuals, the likes of john eastman, rudy giuliani, to christina bobb thai are still redacted in this indictment because they have yet to be actuallydi served here, these areve individuals that we tougher targets here and part of a greater conspiracy that is outlined by chris mayes, this investigation we first reported on this last summer and clearly she had what i call easier targets. she could havel focused on the electors but chris mayes who came into office in january last year intended to target and make it clear that this conspiracy was not only ath threat to the 2020 election but also the 2022 election and also future elections and clearly made the decision to proceed in a decision that castpr a wider ne. if i may what is notable about her indictment here is the fact she specifically outlines the fact sheal contends the 11 electors as well as these other 7 who are indicted as well that were trump attorneys or trump campaign officials, that they intended tols deceive the arizo voters. i just wantiz to read part of

>> john eastman was disbarred in california last week. >> john clark on his well there. >> yeah, 3 1/ars later. it was very much in our mind, the people in watergate, they went to jail. john dean, halderman, there were these ethics laws, the rule of law. you cannot just use the fbi to investigate -- not that i could do it, but other people couldn't use the fbi to investigate political opponents. and there will be accountability. we felt the system will hold not just the president or foot soldiers, but will hold the kind of middle officials accountable. i think it's been a big problem that the middle officials so far, very few of them, have been held accountable. >> the ones that trump is going to install, if he gets back into office, starting in 2025. that whole project. bill, good to see you onset. i know i'm not ari melber. >> an upgrade from ari melber. >> i love you even more. >>> by the end of the hour, bill nye the science guy will be here. plus, a tale of two fortunes. booming new jobs report in the biden economy, while experts slam trump's new media business. >> it's a scam, j

. ♪ >> bret: former trump election lawyer john eastman disbarred by the state of california.t move last week. eastman was accused of helping former president trump dispute the 2020 election results. eastman has been indicted in federal courts in washington and atlanta. >> bret: seven members of a suburb ban phoenix team gang named in multiple random violent attacks in the past year facing charges tonight in the murder of a 16-year-old. this evening we have some of the 2,000 pieces of digital evidence assembled by prosecutors there here is national correspondents william la jeunesse. >> we would enter a not guilty plea. >> police call them the gilbert goons named after the wealthy phoenix suburb of gilbert, arizona. last month one teen after another appeared in court accused of killing 16-year-old preston lord who prosecutors say died of brain injuries after the gang attacked him at a party. >> two of the seven are under 18 but all are charged as adults. >> there has got to be at least 250 kids here. they are walking the streets. these kids are going to hit each other. someone

are multiple unindicted co-conspirators like mark meadows and rudy giuliani and sidney powell, john eastman and jeffrey clark, the corrupt former doj official. it means they'll be indicted at some point in the future. >> they can't indict until some of these people flip on them? >> i think the reason jack smith is waiting in the d.c. case is because he wants to bang out the trump case, resolve it. then he'll go after the unindicted co-conspirators, but just because you're an an unindicted co-conspirator doesn't necessarily mean you'll be indicts, a lot of moving pieces. >> not necessarily, but he's now facing this on top of 88 criminal charges. if you were on donald trump's big legal team, some in new york tomorrow, some in d.c., what are you telling him tonight? >> please don't fire me, but in addition to that, look, this does -- >> why would he? he needs them now more than ever. >> no. but it's a good way to get a delay. >> explain that. >> one thing someone does for a last gasp effort to get a delay is fire their counsel which they're permitted to do and say i've got my new counsel and i

rudy giuliani.ellis, john eastman, christina bobb, trump campaign official boris epshteyn. >> today,laim of absolute immunity from anything he did while in office. >> donald trump's historic claim for presidential immunity. >> this is unprecedented because we have never been here before as a country. >> there's nothing to suggest that presidents need immunity because they have managed to do just fine for over 200 years. >> donald trump has been back in court for his historic hush money criminal trial. >> pecker tells cohen, quote, we committed a campaign violation. cohen's response according to pecker, said he wasn't worried because, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general, and donald trump has him in his pocket. >> if legal hell week is a thing, this might be it for defendant trump. we'll be right back. they need their lawn back fast and you need scotts turf builder rapid grass. it grows grass 2 times faster than just seed alone. giving you a stronger lawn. smell that freedom, eh? get scotts turf builder rapid grass today, it's guaranteed. feed your lawn. feed it. power e*trade

now if you have someone like wee could take john eastman for instance who wants to writewr somethingto come on and say the 2020 election was stolen, joe bidense is not the rightful president,th et cetera. what do you do with that? i don't think that he addressed that in his piece or in the interview, that if conservativism has for a large swath of people, a majority of republicans who think that joeko biden is not the rightful winner, not just there were some fraud issues, but actually thate dhe did not win, do you platfom those types of people?f th >> i'm not sure that's what he was talking about.he i thin wk he was talking aboutru 2016, russiass, laptop, covid, immigration. >> jessica: but it's an extension of that. all >> it's not all about generous six. have youary ever listen to npry the way? >> judge jeanine: yes. >> no you haven't. accidentally. >> judge jeanine: stop at jesse. npr refused to cover hunterhu biden anntd the hunter biden laptop story because they agreed at npr that it would help donald trump.t it and the problem with this is that it's a taxpayer-funded organizat

they include former chief of staff mark meadows, attorneys rudy giuliani and john eastman, and the indictmentrump as unindicted co-conspirator number one. here's arizona attorney general chris males. >> the scheme, had it succeeded, would have deprived arizona voters the right to have their votes counted for a chosen president. it effectively would have made the right to vote meaningless. john: so william, what exactly are they charged with doing? william: so this is 18 people who are charged with conspiracy, fraud, and forgery, just as you mentioned, which is all going back to their alleged efforts to deny the fact that joe biden won arizona and donald trump did not. it's the seven trump aides and lawyers that you mentioned, but also 11 of these other people who signed up to be what we've now called fake electors. these are people who knew that trump had not won but they stood forward and signed documents saying we will go to washington, d.c. and cast arizona's electoral votes for donald trump, which he did not win. and so they are being charged with being part of this scheme. as you mention

boris epshteyn now is indicted along with giuliani, meadows, john eastman, lawyers who had to defendt they became criminals plus trump himself named among the unindicted co-conspirators in the same arizona case charging epshteyn plessy could be named a co-conspirator in the jack smith case. we can confirm that epshteyn participated in the elector plot because we questioned him on that all the way back then before some of these probes have gone much further and we elicited a newsworthy omission. this is about one year after the january 6 insurrection, before jack smith was active. we pressed on how these aids and even lawyers seem to become directly involved not just in making arguments and defending things, which they are allowed to do, but in advancing active work that appeared to break the law, which could be indictable. these leads that we built on, investigators followed so here we are in our special right now. i'm going to air that exchange where epshteyn ultimately admits his role in the elector plan, not defending its legality but saying he did it with giuliani and that involv

names redacted such as former white house chief of staff mark meadows, lawyers rudy giuliani, john eastman, christina bobb, trump campaign official boris epstein and campaign official mike roman. now, trump was not charged but described as unindicted coconspirator one. the indictments mark a significant step forward in an investigation that has spanned more than a year. here's arizona's attorney general kris mayes. >> i understand for some of you today it didn't come fast enough, and i know i'll be criticized by others for conducting this investigation at all. as i've stated before and will say here again today i will not allow american democracy to be nsaid mined. it's too important. >> the republican party of arizona said in a statement posted to social media that the indictments represented a blatant and unprecedented abuse of prosecutorial power aimed solely at distracting the public from the critical policy debates our country should be focusing on as we approach the 2024 election. now, arizona becomes the fourth state to file criminal charges against the so-called fake electors that

they include rudy giuliani, mark meadows, attorney john eastman, and christina bobb, although they're not immediately named. the indictment also includes 11 alleged fake electors accused of submitting a document to congress falsely declaring that trump had won arizona. trump is named as unindicted coconspirator one in the arizona case. he's not charged. but documents say the former presidents schemed with allies to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. and when abc news washington. >> the airline industry is responding to new rules from the biden administration that aim to protect travelers and save you money. we first told you about these rules yesterday on abc seven mornings, and they include a ban on surprise fees and cash refunds for passengers who face long delays or cancellations. gloria is at the live desk with the new reaction. gloria. >> good morning amanda. airlines are fighting back against new rules that will soon require them to refund passengers for certain flights that are canceled or delayed. the transportation department announced the new policy yesterday, an

should know, it remains to this day, one of his closest top advisers, also pro-trump attorney john eastman, former trump campaign lawyer, jenna ellis, along with 2020 campaign official mike roman. donald trump himself. you don't see his picture there. he's an unindicted coconspirator. we are told this indictment includes charges ranging from conspiracy and forgery to engaging in fraudulent schemes this is arizona's attorney general, kris mayes, announcing these indictments tonight. >> the people of arizona elected president biden, unwilling to accept this fact. the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency whatever their reasoning was, the plot to violate the law must be answered for an i was elected to uphold the law of the state let's get straight to, the source tonight with cassidy hutchinson, a former top aide to mark meadows, and now a frequent target of donald trump's after her explosive testimony before the january 6 committee. and cassie, it's great to have you here tonight. i should note we had already scheduled i

and who's but giuliani trump's former personal attorney, who's john eastman, who was that conservative attorney? that's been labeled as the architect of the fake electors plot. but it also includes some people that have not been charged in connection should with their alleged role in attempting to overturn the 2020 election. as you mentioned, boris epshteyn, who was one of trump's closest aides to this day, is charged in this indictment, as well as christina bob, who was a trump attorney, a former trump attorney. she's also a former oan host, and notably she was just actually appointed to a job at the republican national committee as counsel for election integrity of ironic, when up here. but look, i want to the republicans in the state are already pushing back on this indictment. the attorney general here isn't democrat, and the arizona gop is saying that this is basically a politically motivated distraction. they said in a statement, a blatant that this was a blatant. and an unprecedented abuse a prosecutorial power aimed solely at distracting the public. jake hoffman, one of those f

do on our radar this morning, john eastman, donald trump's former lawyer and the architect of effortsfrom certifying the 2020 election once the judge to delay taking away his california law license so he can make money to pay for mounting legal bills he's wants to represent republican congress members. matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene in a political speech battle. they are suing to california cities that canceled their political events. now, eastman was forbidden from practicing law and the state after a judge recommended he be disbarred because of his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. eastman course, also one of the defendants alongside president trump in the georgia election subversion case angelina jolie is accusing ex husband brad pitt of a history of physical abuse and new legal documents. so we filed a motion yesterday as part of pits 2022 lawsuit over the french winery that they want to own together. the filing alleges in part that pit was so concerned over his misconduct that he wrecked a deal to buy her stake in that winery. all because she refused to sign an nda. c

>> but the other acts that were brought up today, we're conversations he had with people like john eastman& jenna ellis and rudy giuliani honey, three people who did not work on behalf of the federal government. those are charged in the indictment. so why could trump not go to trial for that? >> it's worth noting and it's really important to explain what this these alternate slates of electors were really throughout american history probably most notably in 18, 70 he six, when you're challenging a presidential election after the certification deadline in certain states, you present alternate slates of electors and that gives political actors the opportunity to get to the bottom of whether fraud occurred, whether outcome determinative fraud occurred. and it allows them to pick a different slate in 18, 76 rutherford b. hayes was elected did president on the back of three alternate slates of electors. so those sorts of preparatory actions giving political actors the ability to act on allegations of election fraud. i think there's probably intermixed private and official conduct their and that

jenna ellis his former campaign attorney, john eastman, mike roman, boris epshteyn, and another person who's actually gotten a political promotion of sorts. and the time since christina bobb, you might remember that name christina bobb. she's a former oan anchor, host, tv personality, but she was also one of the key people pushing these election fraud claims, including an arizona she's indicted alongside jake hoffman and was recently appointed as the lead counsel for election integrity at the rnc. so again, the rnc, the national the national party, the republican national party, really hugging some of these people please key players from the bid to overturn the 2020 election. and it's hard to not notice the parallels between what donald trump himself, even though he's not indicted in arizona, what he's been saying about these investigations and these indictments related to the 2020 election. i'm going to read jake hoffman's statement after he was indicted, it sounds a lot like what we've heard about trump hoffman wrote, let me be unequivocal. i am innocent of any crime. i will vigorous

and this indictment rudy giuliani, mark meadows, john eastman, jenna ellis, mike roman. these are people who were meeting face-to-face with trump. these are people who are on the ground helping trump put these fake electors together, help them facilitate their signing of those opaque electoral documents that we know are not just charged here, but also in other states around the country. and you mentioned two, there's multiple felony counts, there's nine counts total multiple felonies there's the top line is a conspiracy count that is similar to what we've seen in georgia with rico conspiracy account where trump is indicted, but several of these other people are indicted as well. so some parallel those there. but ultimately the end of the de people within trump's inner orbit charged again here in arizona and yet trump, i liked the charges in georgia. >> he's not indicted in this case at all. he i think is an unindicted coconspirator in this case, but somebody we have not seen before ever be facing charges for the first time is boris epshteyn. why is that so significant? >

those aids include white house chief of staff, mark meadows, rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, christina bob, trump campaign official board, epstein, and former campaign and white house official, mike roman. trump was not charged, but is described as an unindicted co- conspirator 1. it marks a significant step forward in an investigation that has spanned more than a year. here is arizona's attorney general, chris mays. >> i understand, for some of you today it didn't come fast enough. and i know i will be criticized for others for conducting this investigation at all. but as i have stated before and will say here again today, i will not allow american democracy to be undermined. it is too important. >> arizona now becomes the fourth state to file criminal charges against the so-called fake electors that sought to undermine president biden's victory over trump. so, joe, we saw the video there. they also signed a fake certificate that they posted to social media. i mean, they were breaking the law, pretending they were the state's electors when they weren't, because joe biden ha

what has happened to john eastman is an abomination. highlighting other abuses of people around trump to suggest trump is guilty of the crime isn't persuasive to me. host: you've advised mr. trump in the past. are you still in contact with him? guest: i won't say it one way or the other who i talked to about things here in washington, d.c. i don't want to comment one way or the other. don't take it as a yes or a no other than i don't talk about who i talked to. host: all right. guest: i have been questioned previously about my communications with trump before the grand jury. i can say that they were -- the prosecutors were arguing with me about my tweets and what i had for lunch with the president and why didn't the president say one thing -- did the president respond to me? i don't think he did. they were arguing with me why didn't they respond to me. host: this is about your email exchange about claiming victory regardless of the outcome? guest: they brought me in allegedly because they wanted to know information about this document d

democracy what is currently unfolding and happening to people like president trump, jeff clark, john eastmanhole slew of other people. you can disagree with the legal conclusions of others without wanting or needing to weaponize the judicial system to destroyer opposition. i think that is a dangerous precedent being set right now. and i think it should be talked about more in the press. i think joe biden should have to answer for this that the courts are being used for de facto run interference operations against the top political opposition for the next presidential election. that is a huge story that i do not think it is getting fairly covered. host: one more time. mark has been waiting for a while in florida. no ahead, you are on. caller: good morning, you've have contradicted donald trump at least twice since i have been listening to you. donald trump was quoted as saying there is systemic racism in the united states, and i -- guest: you are absolutely right and i did contradict. let me correct this. donald trump is right there is systemic racism and it is being implemented through dei a

of course rudy giuliani, john eastman.f electors to be counted and let the courts figure it out from there. it's extensive and hits at the core of major players, including former gop chairwoman kelly ward involved with the party activism, and tyler boyar, and the chief operating officer of the charlie kirk organization, turning point usa. >> and what impact do you think that would have, very quickly, vaughn, on arizona and the republican efforts in arizona, a critical state, a critical swing state now in 2024? >> reporter: the republican party has struggled to regain its credibility among the electorate. for three election cycles in a row now, arizona voters have voted far democrat for the u.s. senate. they also voted for a democrat for the white house. joe biden in 2020. and in 2022, they won every statewide office except a superintendent of public instruction. that was the democratic party. for this, the republican party, it's just another dagger. another difficult set of headlines, and another expense, frankly, legal ex