john edwards and john kerry. then they came back and when the "was whether or not you provide them with the resources they needed, they voted against it. i couldn't figure out why that happened initially. and then i looked and figured out was howard dean was making major progress with the democratic primaries based on an anti-war record so they in effect decided they would cast an anti-war vote and they would vote against the troops. if they couldn't stand up to the pressures howard dean represented, how can we expect them to stand up to al qaeda. >> senator edwards, you have 90 seconds to respond. >> a long resume does not equal good judgment. we have seen over and over the misjudgments made by this administration. i want to go back to what the vice president just said because it's a continuation of the things they've been doing, unfortunately, on the campaign trail. a continuation of what began his first answer with tonight. john kerry has voted for the biggest military appropriations bill in the country's hist

kerry had picked john edwards. john edwards turned out to be another kind of mistake, but that's another story. what the media reported even fooled gephardt's campaign manager. >> i called up dick gephardt, and i said, dick, i know you can't talk about this. he said, it never happened. i said, dick, i understand you have to deny it to me and everybody else. he said, steve, it didn't happen. >> why wouldn't you believe him when he said so-so emphatically, there was no meeting? >> you absolutely must keep the conversation going on with the nominee and -- >> lying is okay in politics, running for office? >> lying is not okay unless you're asked an inappropriate question. >> politicians have always lied. >> i'm not a crook. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> the media used to give candidates privacy. even keep their secrets. they rarely pictured fdr in his wheelchair. they kept jfk's sexual activities secret. but now everything's game. that's a good thing. even though we reporters are obnoxious. >>

dick cheney had met john edwards before, but he played it very well to good effect there. dick cheney essentially doing to john edwards in 2004 there what democrats are hoping joe biden will do to paul ryan tonight. i'm going to go first here in this room to the republican among us, somebody who's worked with dick cheney and george w. bush administration and was a senior strategist for mccain/palin. steve schmidt, when you look back at palin versus edwards there, do you see a model that democrats should be hoping for tonight? >> well, that debate was a huge moment in the 2004 campaign. with all respect to the gallup organization, it absolutely had an impact in that race because democrats have momentum coming out of president bush's disastrous first debate performance and dick cheney stopped it cold. he got equilibrium back into the base. he stopped the panic that was going on in the party and set up the president to come back in the second debate. and also john edwards made a big mistake in that debate that we were able to capitalize on. he made an issue out of mary cheney

kerry had picked john edwards.ohn edwards turned out to be another kind of mistake, but that's another story. what the media reported even fooled gephardt's campaign manager. >> i called up dick gephardt, and i said, dick, i know you can't talk about this. he said, it never happed. i said, dick, i understand you have to deny it to me and everybody else. he said, steve, it didn't happen. >> why wouldn't you believe him when he said so-so emphatically, there wano meeting? >> you absolutely musteep the conversation going on with the nominee and -- >> lying is okay in politics, running for office? >> lying is not okay unless you're asked an inappropriate question. >> politicians have always lied. >> i'm not a crook. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> the media used to give candidates privacy. even keep their secrets. they rarelyictured fdr in his wheelchair. they kept jfk's sexual activities secret. but now everything's game. that's a good thing. even though we reporters are obnoxious. >> the next t

rry had picked john edwards.n edwards turned out to be another kind of mistake, but that'snother story. what the mediaeported en fooled gephardt's campaign manager. >> called up dick gephardt, and i said, dick, i know you can't talk about this. he said, it never happened. i said, dick, i understand you have to deny it to me and everybody else. he said, steve, it didn't ppen. >> whyouldn't u believe him when he said so-so emptically, there was no meeting? >> you absolutely must keep the conversation going on with the nominee and -- >> lying is okay in politics, running for office? >> lying is not oy unless you're asked an inappropriate question. >> politicians have always lied. >> i'm not a crook. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> the media used to giv candidates privacy. even keep their secrets. they rarely pictured fdr in his wheelchair. they kept jfk's sexl activities secret. but now everything's game. that's a good thing. even though we reporters are obnoxious. >> the next titime i prefer

kerry had picked john edwards.n edwards turned out to be another kind of mistake, but that's another story. what the media reported even fooled gephardt's campaign manager. >> i called up dick gephardt, and i said, dick, i know you can't talk about this. he said, it never happened. i said, dick, i understand you have to deny it to me and everybody else. he said, steve, it didn't happen. >> why wouldn't you believe him when he said so-so emphatically, there was no meeting? >> you absolutely must keep the conversation going on with the nominee and -- >> lying is okay in politics, running for office? >> lying is not okay unless you're asked an inappropriate question. >> politicians have always lied. >> i'm not a crook. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> the media used to give candidates privacy. even keep their secrets. they rarely pictured fdr in his wheelchair. they kept jfk's sexual activities secret. but now everything's game. that's a good thing. even though we reporters are obnoxious. >> the

john edwards and john kerry. then they came back and when the "was whether or not you provide them with the resources they needed, they voted against it. i couldn't figure out why that happened initially. and then i looked and figured out was howard dean was making major progress with the democratic primaries based on an anti-war record so they in effect decided they would cast an anti-war vote and they would vote against the troops. if they couldn't stand up to the pressures howard dean represented, how can we expect them to stand up to al qaeda. >> senator edwards, you have 90 seconds to respond. >> a long resume does not equal good judgment. we have seen over and over the misjudgments made by this administration. i want to go back to what the vice president just said because it's a continuation of the things they've been doing, unfortunately, on the campaign trail. a continuation of what began his first answer with tonight. john kerry has voted for the biggest military appropriations bill in the country's hist

gee my cousin john edwards volunteered for possession every week. he was certified. ex exor citizenim did nothing. colt 45, crazy horse they demand the sacrifices in blood so bottles would go to the couch friday night. walls kicked until straight jackets lay waiting on the lawn. mama would site visions of gang boys with metal vent as if it explained anything. it didn't between dusk from the and dawn saturday he was ready to blow the -- up. do you want some of this? oh , no, yes oh , no or yes , i will be damn, i will be damn, i will be damn. [applause] >> this is called someone else's child. and i guess it's a sort of an imagined conversation with a took place in a real moment in my father's hospital room in a matter of weeks before he died. my father is my foster father and there was always in my life this level of awkwardness because i was not biologically his own son. and he and i never got to have the conversation that i imagined here on page in this piece. so, there is a lot of truth in it. and here we go. someone else's child. >> i'm going to write a poem about

say a guy who is happy and comfortable in his own skin and if you go back to the dick cheney, john edwards calmed everything down and cleaned john edward's clock. and frankly in retrospect he shouldn't have even owned a clock. but there is a pattern here. and bush came back in the next debate and i think we'll see that happen next week. >> stephanie: i do too. david you and i will watch it together in our smoking jackets and cocktails. >> it has to be pajamas. >> stephanie: andrew in california thinks i won the tart-off. good morning andrew. >> caller: you mentioned the skirt -- we didn't get to see it. >> stephanie: really, then they shot it differently this time. >> they put jacki on the end there, and you could see her legs. when you guys see the shot of the calfs, you never nately got that one. >> stephanie: thank you. >> but both were better than paul ryan's calfs. >> caller: oh, yeah, i don't workout, and i have better calfs than paul ryan does. [ laughter ] >> caller: in the same way president obama had to learn, the next time you guys do the predebate thing, you have to work the ca

john edwards. cheney took one for the team playing the attack dog and allowing bush to keep his presidential hands clean. although i'd like to see a little more heat from president obama in debate number two, he can still keep it cool and classy while letting biden go all the way off the leash. but even before the first presidential debate, the match-up between the two guys on the bottom of the tickets promise to be a must-watched event. what we saw in the debate between president obama and governor romney was an exchange of ideas. both share a practical approach to stimulating economic growth but have different ways of getting us there. the two guys that we're going to be watching on thursday, pragmatism doesn't begin to describe them. pugilistic, not pragmatic describes these guys. get ready for a clash of the i had i can't logs. they're champions of the sweet science of political and economic thought of their respective parties. the golden boy of the economic doctrine. ryan the self-described --

he made the remark that it was the first time he actually met john edwards, which turned out not to be true, but it was a way of saying edwards does not take its politics seriously, that he likes to go in front of the camera but is never back in the senate. and they tried to use the issue of whether the vice-president's daughter was gay and dick cheney quickly dismissed him and thank him for saying nice things about his family and moved on. what dick cheney did was make this young and exciting candidate looked young and inexperienced. my guess is there are a lot of democrats who want biden to do that? bry -- to ryan. host: we noted earlier that there's a 28-year age gap between the two tonight, joe biden versus paul ryan. that's our topic this morning. we were just talking about that moment in 2004. i want to show our viewers that and then come back and get some thoughts from our viewers about tonight's vice presidential debate and pass debates. [video clip] >> mr. vice president/ >> i want to go back to the last comment. the reason they keep trying to attack halliburton is they want t

. >> reporter: cheney attacked john edwards as a sort of johnny-come-lately. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> reporter: there was lloyd benson's zinger against dan quayle. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> who am i? why am i here? >> reporter: questions unlikely to surface thursday night, at least by these two. ron mott, nbc news, st. petersburg, florida. >>> we'll have live nbc news coverage of every moment of thursday night's debate, including our correspondents and analysis. that's thursday night here on this nbc station, 9:00 eastern, 6:00 pacific time. >>> in pennsylvania, this was sentencing day for jerry sandusky. convicted earlier this year of 45 counts of child sexual abuse. tonight a judge has sent him to prison for what will most likely be the rest of his life. not before the former penn state assistant coach had his say in court. nbc's john yang has our report from the courthouse. >> reporter: jerry sandusky said nothing as he arrived in a red prisoner's jumpsuit over a bulletproof vest, looking thinner after 112 days in ja

you see dick cheney and john edwards seated. lot of time on sunday shows, a familiar setting sitting down, up close to the moderator. >> it would have been a different debate last week if the three of them would have been sitting around a small table as opposed to the podiums. it will be easier for martha raddatz tonight. >> easier to keep control and you tend to have more of a conversation. it tends to be more casual and friendly. john edwards and dick cheney not so much, but when you're sitting, they know each other. you tend to be more casual. you will hear a little joe and a little paul as opposed to mr. vice president and mr. chairman. >> we're only minutes away from the vice presidential debate. bo biden spoke exclusively to cnn this morning about his father's practice session and his tendency to go off script. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] its lightweight construction makes it nimble... ♪ its road gripping performance makes it a cadillac. introducing the all-new cadillac xts. available with advanced all-wheel drive. [ engine rev

global even bloomberg gave it scan coverage all right yeah john edwards and still walking around there's no wonder so we just have to be very clear understand that these major financial news networks are not there to look objectively. what the problems on the financial sector are there as a entertainment p.r. source for wall street that's what they're there for i just want to make that very clear that you are and we are going no longer wish to be fair though it is my view on it for us to go that route and to be fair though i mean to play the devil's advocate a little bit don't you think when someone comes out with a book and he's making his one point five million dollars from his book or whatever that they paid him to write this though the money i want to go goldman you know it's made when you look and in your book and i think it's a very fair thing to ask in interviews the motivations for their book and kind of pulling apart that's all you were motivation about all the interview was he would bring up ad because i wanted to pivot it yet again i got there are lots of through allow you to

we will begin with dick cheney and john edwards followed by joe biden and sarah palin in 2008.debate of george bush and feraro. it all begins this evening at 7:00 eastern on c-span. c-span's campaign 2012 web site provides live and on demand coverage of all the presidential and vice presidential debates. it is the only place he was a live coverage before and after the debates. it has each question as a separate clip where you can watch by topic. read tweaks from political reporters and other actions from the debate hubbub. go to c-span.org/debates. >> mitt romney says that fewer jobs were traded this month than last. this is about 30 minutes. ♪ ♪ >> wow, that is quite a welcome. thank you, virginia. i love you, too, guys. >> mitt, mitt, mitt, mitt! >> thank you. thank you. gosh, just spent a half-hour with your fine citizens who want to keep working in this area. a farm couple wonders if they are going to keep their farm because the man lost his job in the coal mine. these are tough times, but you are strong people and we are going to bring back jobs and bring back america. som

and john edwards started to reply talking about aids in africa. he didn't hear what i said because he came prepared, thinking, she is going to ask me about aids in from, a black woman, and he came prepared with an answer that he gave anyway. i could have been depressed at night, but years later, people still say to me, it was so interesting that neither of them had the answer to that question. that this was not a priority for either of these candidates. i learned so much that way. so sometimes a nonanswer, i take solace in these -- is an answer. >> you get more nonanswers than answer. >> we love those nonanswers. >> we have time for two more questions. >> i'm phyllis cunningham with the joint center for political and economic studies. my question is, these days you're hearing so much about the polls. every day there's a new poll out, one saying one thing or another. i'm wondering, in your point, what impact do you think they have and which ones you put stock in, if any. >> very good question. >> well, first of all, there's too many of. the there's

accurate accurate -- >> john: michelle obama with her sleeves you got a job instead of mooching, mooching off the taxpayers. mr. hannity can i have a sugar cube? nah. see? yeah. >> edwardize if i gave mark too much dignity. >> spot on. >> john: thank you. i channel him. >> it seems fitting that a man who spends his life swimming in water is helping a campaign for access to clean water. politico tells us that olympic gold medal swimmer ryan is working with water for people on a new psa campaign to help raise money for developing countries to get better access to clean drinking water. >> john: what a guy. that's terrific. nice to hear about pro athletes doing something besides endorsing mitt romney this week. thank you so much, dan. >> you got it. >> john: edward isaac is the politico deputy white house editor. i'm excited to have him on bill's show this morning to talk about this debate because apparently there is a debate going on this week. i had no idea. it's gotten barely any media coverage. are you with us? >> i am. >> john: what a pleasure. thank you so much. obviously people are talking about zinger watch 2012. and for some reason, the public has been led to real

. >> that could also work in his favor as we saw when dick cheney and john edwards were together. let's take a look at a clip of that from viewers remind you have that. >> first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> that gave a real distance between the two. you saw the generational gap there but also a gap in experience in a way. >> it was a bright move by dick cheney saying you are a new comer nobody knows who you are. vice president biden is saying there's a chance to say i know foreign policy you don't. paul ryan the expectations are low for him. as long as he stands on stage and holds his own he will be fine. >> take a look at another blunder here. we remember this whith ross pert getting into this. >> who am i? why am i here? >> that was back in 1992. that was a gore quail three-way debate? it dropped ross perot in the polls it made him seem like a joke. it picked up the swing voters. it helped president clinton. >> what about sarah palin back in the 2008 debate. it helped her case because there were low expectations. >> she held her own. seemed li

a table used in a vice presidential or presidential debate sin the one between dick cheney and john edwards. the table is useful because we are told, cheney's folks said it makes for a calmer discussion of issues and both sides can, well, shoot the breeze. but if the table favors the more seasoned guy, does it favor joe biten. republicans are hoping tonight that table will favor the younger guy, the guy who was just three years old when i don't biden was elected senator. [ music playing, children laughing ] [ slap! slap! slap! ] [ music, laughter stop ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite foods fight you, fight back fast with tums smoothies. so fast and smooth, you'll forget you had heartburn. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums [ male announcer ] tums smoothies. >>neil: this is going to be a front and center subject and they could raise it in the debate. what is a catastrophe, like in washington, dc this weekend, for special coverage of the crisis you probably don't know but should. the end of this year, a a group of events that are scary when all the tax cuts expire and mother things kick in, they w

and a vice presidential candidate preferred that kind of a venue with joe lieberman and later john edwards because it was a more processional venue. it gets in the way of more heated remarks you see standing where vice presidential candidate last go-arounds. it won't get as in-your-face as the presidential debate got but you never know. gerri: one of the interesting dynamics, when ryan was 3 years old, there's a 27 year difference between these two. how will that play out? lou: if you think of it, these are two different generations going out of here. i always remind people who laugh about joe biden, he has been doing this for 40 years. he was elected in 1973 and reelected and reelected and reelected and ran for president twice, has been in countless debates. his extemporaneous remarks of late, didn't get to where he is. by the same token despite paul ryan's relative youth, talk to people who watch as congressional debate, very punchy and clear and smart and those numbers down cold. the only issue with him a lot of his friends say is he can get too errors in the data. in these numerous dri

the party that defends john edwards, bill clinton, dominique strauss-khan, and meanwhile you have thesebsolutely honorable and decent men in the case of paul ryan and mitt romney. i just -- i don't think this is much of a winning argument. >> sean: stay right there, we have a controversy emerging about tomorrow night's debate moderator. and highlights battle with bill maher and ben aflac this weekend. breaking news tonight, hillary clinton says the buck stops with her and she is taking responsibility for the deadly terrorist attack in benghazi. now, if the buck stops with her, who is the president? now it sounds like she might be taking the fall. we will check in with former defense a second donald rumsfeld, bob beckel and much more. and then move over obama girl, paul ryan girl is out there. she will join us later this hour. ♪ let's get fiscal, ♪ fiscal ♪ i want to get fiscal ... we'll uncover opportunities, find hidden risk, and make success a reality. bny mellon wealth management because helps you keep doing what you love. no wonder it's america's #1 selling pain reliever. you took a

so the other one was john edwards. i liked john edwards at the time. there was a little back and forth going on with that. so that did not seem to be developing. it did not look like anything was going to happen. otherwas one candidate i liked, barack obama. five years ago, people in the fall of 2006 would say things like he's never going to get elected, there's no way america would elect an african-american, you cannot get elected with the name barack hussain obama. it did not matter because i did not know anybody in chicago. so it did not look like anything was going to be happening. then on december 26, 2006, my wife and i were shopping the day after christmas in a barnes and noble just up the road in san luis obispo in california. my phone went off and someone was calling to see if i was interested in working on a barack obama campaign. of course i was. i was quickly connected with a guy who became the deputy campaign manager. i thought i was a point for the job of national campaign manager. so i thought i've got to put it all on the table. steve n

issue the wise and experienced states man like dick cheney, that's the role he took on against john edwards slamming edwards for his record in the senate. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on this stage tonight. >> so when we look at this, how careful does biden have to be in his tone with paul ryan? >> he better not do what dick cheney did did. because pictures surfaced that of course he had met him previously. but, yeah, this idea of how you treat your opponent is a very interesting aspect of presidential debates. you have such analal contrast. but biden is not exactly sarah palin when it comes to his knowledge base. so i think it gives biden a little more room for maneuver. >> who comes out on top today? >> you know what, i can't predict. i got out of that business a long time ago go. >> we tried. and of course you can watch tonight at 9:00 p.m. coverage starts at 8:00. we asked you, do you think tonight's debate will change the momentum of the race? here's how some of you answered. "actually the momentum has already started shifting back to obama, so a biden win will

. >> he dismembered john edwards. he killed him. >> he did. think that joe biden can get the joe mentum, if you will, for the obama campaign by going in there and reminding people what mitt romney and paul ryan would do if mitt romney is elected president. mitt romney has placed his arms around it and embraced the paul ryan budget plan and there are a lot of things the president didn't mention joe biden will focus on, starting with medicare. and then the 47% remark. i think you'll hear more about that tomorrow night and in the next debate. the president showed up last week for a news conference asking the questions but he was being presidential and didn't engaged his opponent. mitt romney showed up for a debate. i think the next time you see president obama, he'll come ready for a debate. >> here is he on the tom joyner radio show. he said he was too polite in last week's debate. let's listen to the president. >> i mean, you know, the debate, i think it's fair to say, i was just too polite. because, you know, it's hard to keep on saying what y

john kerry and john edwards were waiting on results from ohio. when ohio went to president bush, the next day, the day after election night, that is when that race was over but not a minute before. ohio is that important in modern presidential politics. look at this, both the romney and obama campaigns are out stumping now, tonight in ohio. governor romney and president obama have 50 possible states to fight over, at least theoretically. they have nine or so swing states that seem to actually be in play. tonight mitt romney and barack obama are both in just one state. mr. romney appearing with chris christie and rob portman in akron, ohio. the president showing up with will.i.am. at ohio state in columbus. >> buckeyes, we need you. we need you fired up. >> we're going to do it. ohio's going to elect me the next president of the united states. >> all the interest in competing in ohio, the desperate need to win the election in ohio, the dualing rallies and the ground games and all of that. all of that comes from the context of a big surprising deci

ship and steady the momentum, and in 2004 dick cheney was able to do that in his debate against john edwardswill be that pressure, i think, on joe biden tonight. really to change the storyline. i mean, the polls suggest that there's a clear advantage for romney from that first debate, but it's kind of stabilizing, where nonetheless, if ryan has a strong night tonight, congressman ryan, it will reinforce a storyline and amplification. that will be a problem for democrats. >> again, we're going to look at these pictures. this is air force 2 obviously preparing for the vice president to step down off the plane, and he will be heading to the debate site. talk a little bit about what's at stake here because often the vice presidential debates don't really make that much difference when you take a look at the overall picture, but you still have some people, especially after obama's kind of lackluster performance, who are undecided, who are actually looking at this and now you have mitt romney and obama neck and neck now. >> yeah. i think a lot of things change in that first presidential debate, wh

in 2004, john edwards. 8, he was so in character as barack obama he really upset john mccain's wife. you have to tell me the story about cindy mccain running out of the room crying. >> she was very good about attending preps and being with john. at one point, literally walked out. i mean, we knew she was walking out on purpose because i was going after her husband. >> it was too much for her to take. >> she still doesn't like me to this day. >> romney's been getting that portman treatment for more than a month. >> after the you know hour and a half or so is over, i want to kick him out of the room. >> sources close to romney say this is his danger zone. his tendency to get defensive. which produces gaffes. remember this? >> it was true then. >> no, no -- >> it's true now. >> rick, i'll tell you what. 10,000 bucks? >> reviewed performances with his coach during the gop primaries. is mitt romney coachable when it comes to that? >> absolutely. absolutely. he was, he's a great student of political debate. he wor