john dean testimony. you have the people inside the administration being sent, as we know, with halderman and ehrlichman andchell into indictments. then you have, of course, the tapes. i mean, the tapes were the smoking gun. and by that time, republicans had to respond to events. so, the question will be, how will these hearings educate the country? how will they make the country understand if this person is above the law, what that means? >> doris kearns goodwin has agreed to stay with us over this break. a big question for her on the other side of this break when we come back. e other side of this break when we come back. >>> historian doris kearns goodwin has been kind enough to hang around, and i lied, i have at least two more questions for you. the qualities in this book, which i sincerely hope everyone reads, of presidential leadership. what's your answer when you're asked about trump's brand of presidential leadership? >> well, just look at the qualities that my four guys that i studied -- lincoln, the two roosevelts, and lbj -- on civil rights they shared -- humility, empathy, resilience, the abilit