joining me are john elderfield is the chiefsculpture at the human of modern art.eefs is the former chief curator of photography. i'm pleased to have them back at this table. welcome. when did this project begin. >> it began 20 years ago when a jenld of mine has been at jeff coons' skewed oh and he said this is no studio i've seen. it's like a workshop with lots of people there.leÑi and then it led to thinking well what is life over the years, where did this start what was the difference between a workshop and a studio. artists always wear tulles and then realizing as you just said the history is so broad, i mean going over centuries that you can't actually do it. >> i think the most prominent artist i ever went to a stood was lucien freud. one part of the studio was light and another part was totally dark and there he did different things. it was fascinating to see this place where so much creation keep out of. >> rose: you looked at photography and he's looking at paintings. is that the essential divide. >> absolutely. we worked together, we talked about the show

join me are john elderfield and peter gallasi. where did this project began? : a friend of mine had been to the studio. he called me the next day and said effectively this is like no studio i have seen. it is like a workshop with lots of people. and led to thinking what have studios been like over the years? where did they start? what was the difference? artists always worked in these. looking for images of them, and realizing the history of them is so broad. going over centuries. you can't actually do a survey. charlie: the most prominent artist was lucian freud. he took me upstairs where there was a lot of light. then there was another part that was totally dark. he works there doing different things. it was fascinating to see this place where so much creation came out of. you looked at photography. he is looking at paintings. peter: we talk about the show when we first worked. it never got done there. john asked me if i wanted to do a companion show of photographs, which is a totally other kind of question, because the default thing for paintings is there ma