. >> a good friend of john f. ken dip, they're drinking pals. -- john f. kennedy. they each contributed to one another's political education. george smathers is remembered for the campaign against claude pepper. he defeated claude pepper. some thought it was a scandal louse campaign. -- a scurrilous campaign. there's a certain mythology, never tracked that down of george smathers going around giving speeches saying, george -- clyde pepper has a sister who's a thespian, his brother has a brother that was a home same yen and on and on. brother was a practicing whole book --, say p.m. and on and on. smathers denied all that. he did the oral history at the time that clyde pepper died to set the record straight. as my partner in this book neil mcneil said, he should left that alone. he would have gone down as the greatest wits of all time to come up with a campaign attack. >> neil mcneil who you co-authored this died of what? 2008? >> cancer. >> i believe it was lung cancer. >> what was he like? >> he was large, deeply confidence in his own abilities. he had the power,

. >> a good friend of john f. ken pals.hey're drinking they each contributed to one another's political education. is remembered for the campaign against claude pepper. pepper.ated claude some thought it was a scandal louse campaign. mythology, rtain never tracked that down of george smathers going around speeches saying, george -- clyde pepper has a who's a thespian, his brother has a brother that was a home same yen and on and on. he did the oral history at the pepper died to set the record straight. as my partner in this book neil cneil said, he should left that alone. he would have gone down as the wits of all time to attack. with a campaign >> neil mcneil who you co-authored this died of what? 2008? cancer. i believe it was lung cancer. >> what was he like? deeply s large, confidence in his own abilities. he had the power, and most a ators knew this, to put senator on the cover of "time" magazine. -- he did a book in called the forge democracy. he had been poking around since 1949. was a popular become. the quest