that's okay. >> joining us now is john favro, former speechwriter for president obama. he co-hosts a podcast and host of the wilderness, a podcast about the history and future of the democratic party. john, thank you for being with us tonight. congratulations on running such a successful focus group, i think. >> that was fun to listen to. people really excited about the mid terms. >> fun and shocking. we have been told -- i mean we've been led to believe, we in the press and american public, that the mythic swing voter is some white dude in diner in the midwest. and i feel like your work tears that myth apart. what have you found out in your travel as cross this great country about who swing voters actually are? >> one reason i did the series is the 81 million people that showed up vote against donald trump in 2020, a very small percentage of them as you mentioned actually follow the news closely. most people who actual i had vote don't have a preformed political opinion. they're not super ideological. they're not super partisan. they show up on election day and pick bet