john feinstein, joining us shortly late letter be craig robinson the head basketball coach at oregon state university. john, this is really a great narrative. we'll talk later about the quality but the narrative is great about vcu and butler. >> yeah, you have good versus good in that first game tomorrow night. obviously butler was cinderella last year when they got to the championship game and barely loss to charlie rose's alma mater by about two inches on that last second shot of gordon haywardses. and now here they are back without hayward who left early for the nba. they're back the final four and they're facing a team that most of the so-called experts didn't even think belonged in the tournament, vcu, when the bracket was unveiled a couple weeks ago. and they have won five games because of the new 68 team tournament to get to the final four, first team in history to do that. and only the third 11th seed since the tournament expanded in 1985 to make it this far. >> is there a quality difference between these four teams? >> not much. i don't think there's much. i think when you sa

jimmy webb did one of his songs-- and liza minnelli, michael feinstein. john have fallen in love with the writing of janis ian. i think janis ian's one of the great unsung writers of our time. her song on the other side is a song that i really champion. the writing of beth nielsen chapman, which you may remember from an issue-- rather, an episode of e.r. it's a song called sand and water, i believe. beautiful song. and through the years, i have found joni mitchell at the right time when she didn't have a recording contract and was able to sing her songs. and of course leonard cohen, who is one of the great all-time writers of all time. i think he's a marvelous, marvelous poet-- spiritual, social, poetic, political, searing writer of great songs. now, you encouraged him to perform as well. i did. in fact, we were doing a benefit for wbai, the radio station here in new york, which is still thriving. and i said, "well, i want you to come and be on the show." and i had sung his first two songs that he'd written-- suzanne and a song called dress rehearsal rag. and