my family on the john ferling side came from germany in the 1870s. i was with the fourth generation to come along in america but the first to have an opportunity to go to college and my dad was sort of an example of what came out of hamilton's program. he worked in an industry, was able to send aid to college. i wound up at miridmiring both s of them. >> i think everyone is thinking in modern times, where are they today on the current government dispute over clean resolutions, and cling resolutions, closing national monuments, who is who today and where would they be standing? chief among them, harry reid? >> i don't want to dodge your question but it is really tough to try to take somebody from the eighteenth century world which was so different from our world. one of my favorite kline's comes from a novel by l.p. hartley you might have read called the go-between and in that novel his opening sentence is the past is a foreign country. they do things differently there. they really did things differently back in jefferson and hamilton's time. makes it