i remember when john fogarty was the cleaning up after the elephants. >> didn't like it at all.owever -- >> now they are cleaning up after -- >> they're sweeching as fast as they can. how did k they not, right? you've got to make clear that, no, we're not going to seize iraqs oil, which would be a war crime. >> can you imagine your son or daughter in the war? >> so what do you believe if you're -- if you're sitting in riyadh? >> don't fix it if it's not broken. my question here, evelyn, what's wrong with nato? it's the one good thing. that and the marshall plan. it worked! >> it's the only operational alliance we have in the same world. >> you mean great alliances with our south kreeian ail lies. it's not the same. first of all, there's out owe ma 'tis italy. almost automatic we go to wore in someone attacks one of the nato allies. second of all, we practice, we make war plans, we've gone to wore with our nato allies. after 9/11, the attack against the united states, that was the only time that nato invoked that article 5. first they came and patrol ld everything in the united s