relationship since 1954 when pakistan joined the southeast asia treaty organization which was part of john foster dulles' sort of, you know, ring of treaties for containment of communism. so pakistan and the u.s. have been allies for a long time, but sometimes i feel like this is a couple that has been married for a very long time but still doesn't know each other. [laughter] and that is why we have periodic difficulties and differences. pakistan culturally is a society which values relationships and consistency in relationships. the united states has a rell tyly more -- relatively more functional approach, especially in international relations. and that has been the real sore point here between the two. the americans always come and say, you know, let's do this together, and the pakistanis think, ah, this is the beginning of a relationship. and when that is done, the americans say, fine, now, you know, we've got other things to do. and the pakistanis feel this is very disturbing, this is a disturbing trend, the americans are not really our friends. then a few years later something else comes up, and th